Guest guest Posted March 1, 2000 Report Share Posted March 1, 2000 > Very nice, thanks, Harsha, I have a question (purely intellectual and theoretical but I find this to be the foundation to contemplation) I was reading my tattered copy of "I Am That" Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. Of course, these dialogues are intended to point attention back into one's own experience, not encourage yet more discursive thinking......BUT, on page 478 the questioner asks.. Q: In the Rigveda there is mention of the "adhi yoga" the Primordial Yoga, consisting of the marriage of "pragna" with Prana, which I understand, means the bringing together of wisdom and life. Would you say it means also the union of Dharma and Karma, righteousness and action? M: Yes, provided by righteousness you mean harmony with one's true nature and by action - only unselfish and desireless action. In "adhi yoga" life itself is the Guru and the mind - the disciple. The mind attends to life, it does not dictate. Life flows naturally and effortlessly and the mind removes obstacles to its even flow. Now, the Buddhist insight and the practices of "Dzogchen" is also called "Ati Yoga." Also, Ati Yoga is the highest level or catagory of the nine yanas of the Tibetan Nymingma. And as I am a student of what we call dzogchen Id be very interested to find the references and teaching of "Adhi yoga" of the Rigveda, if someone could point me toward this. In Dzogchen, all various kinds of conceptuality, alternating stillness and occurrence within the mind, are seen as not other than expressions of the Primordial ground - and thus we have "yoga" or union, also, then nothing arising in the mind "can be an obstacle to its even flow." Still, the Buddha taught "Anatma" - and that there was nothing fixed or unchanging. The relative self is seen as dynamic and interconnected with the relative selves of "others." 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Guest guest Posted March 1, 2000 Report Share Posted March 1, 2000 Joyce Short [insight] Wednesday, March 01, 2000 9:57 AM ; Re: Hello Everyone.... "Joyce Short" <insight > Very nice, thanks, Harsha, I have a question (purely intellectual and theoretical but I find this to be the foundation to contemplation) I was reading my tattered copy of "I Am That" Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj. Of course, these dialogues are intended to point attention back into one's own experience, not encourage yet more discursive thinking......BUT, on page 478 the questioner asks.. Q: In the Rigveda there is mention of the "adhi yoga" the Primordial Yoga, consisting of the marriage of "pragna" with Prana, which I understand, means the bringing together of wisdom and life. Would you say it means also the union of Dharma and Karma, righteousness and action? M: Yes, provided by righteousness you mean harmony with one's true nature and by action - only unselfish and desireless action. In "adhi yoga" life itself is the Guru and the mind - the disciple. The mind attends to life, it does not dictate. Life flows naturally and effortlessly and the mind removes obstacles to its even flow. Thanks Joyce for bringing this up. I think what Nisargadatta says makes sense in the context of the question asked. The marriage of Pragna and Prana could also be symbolically viewed as the marriage of Shiva and Shakti or the Male principle with the female principle, etc. From the perspective of Shakti Yoga, after the consummation is completed no more questions can arise about Dharma, Karma, Righteousness and action. So in a way, all paths ultimately become Adhi yoga or Ati yoga :--). Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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