Guest guest Posted March 2, 2000 Report Share Posted March 2, 2000 In a message dated 03/02/2000 12:11:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, dhodges writes: > I mean, how do you tell > someone how to go about having experiences that lead them to the insight > that there's no one having experiences...how do you tell someone what to do > while they are waiting to understand that there is nothing to do and no one > to do...that's what I tried to say. Tell them not to do it. Always works with me and my kids. :-) Seriously tho... although this has nothing to do with 'who am I', I remember when I began meditating and trying my darndest to 'see the light'. I kept looking for this white light and all I could see was darkness (since my eyes were closed and I'm not very visual). As I asked myself impatiently 'where's that dang white light or blue pearl I'm supposed to be seeing!&%?', it occurred to me that I had pictured what the light was to look like in my own mind. I had formed a certainty. I quickly realized that a 'light' could also mean a 'voila!' experience, like a light bulb going off in your head, among other things. I opened my mind once again, letting go of the form I had become certain of... now not knowing what to expect. Made all the difference in not only the outcome, but allowing my meditations to be whatever they were supposed to be. Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2000 Report Share Posted March 2, 2000 At 09:57 AM 3/2/00 -0500, you wrote: >David Hodges <dhodges > >Hi Victor, > You asked for actual experiences.... D: All there is, is experience. There's no one having an experience. Just experience. Including the experience of the idea that someone is having an experience. There's no one who gets born and who dies, although there's the experience we label "birth", the experience we label "death", and the experience of the idea that someone is born and dies. There is no way to get outside of experience, nor are there any objects that exist apart from experience. The illusion of objects existing apart from experience is the experience of illusion, occuring along with delusion, the experience of the belief that one experiences objects that exist apart from experience. Experience has no experiencer, no location, and no divisions. Distinctions that arise within experience simply *are* experience. Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2000 Report Share Posted March 2, 2000 Yes Dan, this is an understanding that one comes to, but I think Victor was asking what are the practical steps one can take to get to that understanding and all the related realizations. I mean, how do you tell someone how to go about having experiences that lead them to the insight that there's no one having experiences...how do you tell someone what to do while they are waiting to understand that there is nothing to do and no one to do...that's what I tried to say. David >"Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > >D: All there is, is experience. > There's no one having an experience. > Just experience. > Including the experience of the idea that someone is having > an experience. > There's no one who gets born and who dies, although there's > the experience we label "birth", the experience we label "death", > and the experience of the idea that someone is born and dies. > There is no way to get outside of experience, nor are there > any objects that exist apart from experience. > The illusion of objects existing apart from experience is > the experience of illusion, occuring along with delusion, > the experience of the belief that one experiences objects > that exist apart from experience. > Experience has no experiencer, no location, and no divisions. > Distinctions that arise within experience simply *are* experience. > Love, > Dan > > > >------ >GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 2.9% >Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! >http://click./1/936/3/_/520931/_/952013068/ >------ > >// > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, >perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and >subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not >different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the >nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. >It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the >Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of >Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome >all to a. > >To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from > the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your > subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2000 Report Share Posted March 2, 2000 >Hi Victor, > You asked for actual experiences.... D: All there is, is experience. There's no one having an experience. Just experience. Including the experience of the idea that someone is having an experience. There's no one who gets born and who dies, although there's the experience we label "birth", the experience we label "death", and the experience of the idea that someone is born and dies. There is no way to get outside of experience, nor are there any objects that exist apart from experience. The illusion of objects existing apart from experience is the experience of illusion, occuring along with delusion, the experience of the belief that one experiences objects that exist apart from experience. Experience has no experiencer, no location, and no divisions. Distinctions that arise within experience simply *are* experience. Love, Dan geovani>Yes. The universe is being it like THIS realy. Any conception of something apart from THIS is a real conceptual image of something apart from THIS. Your efforts, Victor, concentration and relaxation exercices arise from the basic and real mistaken assumption that you will find something different in it's basic nature - then THIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2000 Report Share Posted March 2, 2000 > >David: >Yes Dan, this is an understanding that one comes to, but I think Victor was >asking what are the practical steps one can take to get to that >understanding and all the related realizations. I mean, how do you tell >someone how to go about having experiences that lead them to the insight >that there's no one having experiences...how do you tell someone what to do >while they are waiting to understand that there is nothing to do and no one >to do...that's what I tried to say. Dan: Yes, I understood you that way, David. I think it's fine that you answered Victor's request for practical steps. My comments are simply an expression of my understanding. My only point is this: there's only experience. Everything follows from that. Begin with experience, "come from" there, and all else follows (i.e., falls into place, never leaves). Victor asked for "actual experiences" and my view is that there is only "actual experience". As far as practical steps go, watch that "first step"... it's a doozy... :-) Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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