Addiction/On the last "object" of science

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Greg Goode wrote:

 

Usually, advaitic non-dual approach

uses the word "real" to mean

"unchanging, permanent, independent" and

uses the word "unreal" to mean

"changeable, impermanent, dependent upon

something other than itself for

existence." It comes out that

consciousness is real, and everything

else is unreal if seen separate from

consciousness.

 

So -- sensory modalities, biology,

physics, thoughts, information, external

objects, all that stuff. We do science

with it. But how can any of it be any

more or less real than any of the rest?

 

--Greg

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Though it could be of some interest for

some, a point a view, among so many.

 

Love this one : "Things/objects are

abstractions/snap shots taken from the

movement by the movement itself." JP

Verhey.

 

Antoine

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>From Q-mind list:

[q-mind] On the move: Is the

mind physical? (reply to Dimi Chakalov)

- JP Verhey

Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:19:29 -0700

>From JP Verhey

 

[Dimi Chakalov]

 

Is the mind physical? I would like to

address this question to all physicists

reading Q-Mind Digest.

 

Let me start with Penrose's Objective

Reduction [Ref. 1]. If the mind is

physical, then, as stressed by E. H.

Walker [Ref. 2], "the E/hT

gravitational condition and the

Schrodinger equation have to be put

together. No step in this direction is

taken by Penrose."

 

Alternatively, if the mind is

non-physical, then Penrose-Hameroff Orch

OR proposal should be regarded as

dualistic hypothesis.

 

[JP Verhey]

 

About the mind being physical or

non-physical. Could this be like asking:

how physical is the *movement* of the

moon?

 

A man, his body-brain moves while he

walks over the pavement on a planet that

spins and moves around the sun that

moves relative to other stars etc. The

environment-body-brain consists of a

whole set of moving bits parts and

pieces (things identified by us as such)

that are interactively and relatively on

the move. So there is movement. Also the

mind is movement. But is there any-THING

that moves? Things/objects are

abstractions/snap shots taken from the

movement by the movement itself. We call

these abstractions "the physical". But

also abstractions (see q-mind :-) are

always on the move. Maybe the question

can be rephrased: is the mind dead or

alive?

 

best,

Jan P.