Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 > Rob: > ... > I respect your concerns for your son's welfare, and I don't to > the world simply "being illusory". I think that may be some western new age > influence creeping into some solid understanding of the observer-created > universe. > > All I can say is that, for me, being alive is a call to full involvement, > with as much personal awareness of a transcendant dimension as you can > stand and remain functioning. > > Love > Rob Hi Rob, Did you see Melody's post from Osho: > Half of humanity has been accepting the inner world but denying the outer > world. The other half of humanity has been accepting the > material world and denying the inner world. Both are half, and no man who > is half can be contented. You have to be whole... I'm more comfortable with the concept of the world ultimately as an "appearance" rather than an "illusion". Some people translate "the world is an illusion" into "the world does not exist". This undermines practical action in the world as well as undermining the spiritual quest. Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 Roger Isaacs [RIsaacs] Wednesday, March 08, 2000 7:37 PM ; NondualitySalon columbine I'm more comfortable with the concept of the world ultimately as an "appearance" rather than an "illusion". Some people translate "the world is an illusion" into "the world does not exist". This undermines practical action in the world as well as undermining the spiritual quest. Roger I agree with what you are saying Roger. Seeing the same essence in others, naturally there is a desire to help when we see suffering. For truly who is suffering when others are seen to be suffering. Is it not the I?. Suffering is unavoidable. It exists at every level. Some ignore it (until it comes very close), some accept it (perhaps as fate or will of god), and some can neither accept it nor ignore it and are driven to great reflection, great sorrow, and great compassion. Perhaps those are the Buddhas and Boddhisatvas. It is true that one should not ignore what one feels. What difference does it make whether some master or the other says this or that about appearance and illusion. One should not ignore what one feels. Out of great authenticity there comes the potential for great understanding. That is why there appear to be so many different paths which seem to contradict each other and yet lead to the same goal. Human beings have the capacity to be authentic while contradicting each other. With Self-Awareness, the authenticity gains power, and the contradictions lose meaning. Lots of love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2000 Report Share Posted March 9, 2000 At 17:36 08/03/00 -0700, you wrote: >"Roger Isaacs" <RIsaacs > >> Rob: >> ... >> I respect your concerns for your son's welfare, and I don't to >> the world simply "being illusory". I think that may be some western new >age >> influence creeping into some solid understanding of the observer-created >> universe. >> >> All I can say is that, for me, being alive is a call to full involvement, >> with as much personal awareness of a transcendant dimension as you can >> stand and remain functioning. >> >> Love >> Rob > >Hi Rob, > >Did you see Melody's post from Osho: > >> Half of humanity has been accepting the inner world but denying the outer >> world. The other half of humanity has been accepting the >> material world and denying the inner world. Both are half, and no man who >> is half can be contented. You have to be whole... The Abundance Card. I have used the pack, and it is a good one, many of my friends have enjoyed it also (looks like I'll be buyer for several packs soon!). Yes, I didn't see the post, but I know the card. It has to do with balance within oneself, and wholeness its result. > >I'm more comfortable with the concept of the world ultimately as an >"appearance" rather than an "illusion". Some people translate "the world is >an illusion" into "the world does not exist". This undermines practical >action in the world as well as undermining the spiritual quest. Too right, mate! I happen to have with me today a Zen Dictionary by Ernest Wood: he says - "Maya: ...The word Maya is often translated 'illusion', which is not to be confused with 'delusion'. Strictly, in modern terms, it seems very closely related to the idea of relativity or relative truth, which is never *really* correct." So I agree that we are in the world (whatever we think it is), and it is as real an experience as any other. We just make the mistake of thinking we can categorise it in some ultimately meaningful way. For me that is a release, not a doom. Best wishes Rob > >Roger > > > >------ >GET A NEXTCARD VISA, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as 0.0% >Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. Apply NOW! >http://click./1/937/3/_/520931/_/952564990/ >------ > >// > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > >To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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