Guest guest Posted March 9, 2000 Report Share Posted March 9, 2000 Dear all, First out, thank you very much everybody for the loving and warm reception to the list. )) That did serve to heat up my heart and hands on a sour and windy is-it-winter-or-is-it-spring Northern night ) infintely more than what a cup of Jdgermeister or coffee could have done. Tony: It took me a long time to get here because I'm a slow learner. LOL ! Many apologies to those whose names I in my hurry and self centeredness forgot to mention but who still welcomed me to the list. I'll go home and make up a story for an introduction tonight... Writing an introduction is a little like answering the question "What's your favorite movie ?". Despite knowing movies well I am usually at ends trying to come up with the best movie I have ever seen. In the meantime, here is a little comment to Dharma's post Hot Line to God, which did bring tears to my eyes. My comment is forwarded from Kjade, so if anyone receives this in double, I apologize for any inconveniences. --------- Forwarded Message --------- >Message: 1 > Tue, 7 Mar 2000 16:21:27 -0500 > Dharma <fisher1 >The Hot-Line to God Would you please tell Matt I'd love to correspond with him ? His experiences are truly beautiful and so very rare in the online world of K experiences, where the majority show the individual being completely or partially overrun by the energy and far from being able to handle the changes that take place as gracefully or with as much surrender as Matt. It seems his has been a type of Kundalini activation that has gone very well, quickly and almost effortlessly lead to a great trust and love for the energy and great spiritual unfoldment, a process worthy of a yogi. It is very rare indeed to read about such awakenings, especially on the net. >Talking to God: An Open Letter > >"God, I have lost control of my life. I >don't know what to do next. Everything I have attempted is in ruins. If You >exist at all, now would be a really good time for You to start talking to >me." > >And I heard in my mind, quite clearly, a woman's voice. She said, "What did >you want to talk about?" LOL ! What a beautiful surrender and what a beautiful awakening ! Yes, sadly, only at times in extreme duress, being brought completely to the knees, seeing no way out, does the modern personality relinquish all its preconceived notions of religion and church and god and wholly starts to search for god within its own heart. (Seeking outside of religion is also an effective way, though, but often, the concept of god has a tendency to pop up along the journey.) And what a great guide. ) >I did not hallucinate or hear voices -- in fact, I never have. Instead, >these were like waking dreams -- just like my encounters with My Lady, but >very strong and vivid. Yeah, that's how visions are, hovering at the edge b/n sleep and waking. I do believe (and it may be faulty) that few visions are of the cinematic flash bulb type. >On the night of February 11-12th I had an overpowering encounter with My >Lady over a three-hour period before and after midnight. It was like nothing >I have experienced before or since. Matt mentions the date 120200 and this was a night the energy was extremely clear and pure for me as well, feeling like a cold wind descending into the head. >But if I tell them I have become sensitized to the local electromagnetic >field in a way partly voluntary and partly involuntary, and that this >triggers mild but distinct paranormal experiences, they are very interested! >They want to hear more. It's as you say a back way in behind ppl's anti religious concepts and ego views and present something in a format which they can accept. >What's more, Persinger has published 6 books and several hundred densely >scholarly articles. >to >repeatedly assert that what people have been mistaking for religious >experiences since the dawn of time are really just hallucinations resulting >from electromagnetic fields generated by tectonic stress. she sees no reason why we >have to distinguish between God and an electromagnetic field. She is >comfortable with the notion that it is both at once. I very much agree with all of you. I have also read a lot of Mr. Persinger's work and respect him as a neuroscientist and scholar. What he has done is breakthrough material and very interesting indeed. Nevertheless, he has never heard of or does not accept the "teaching" that God is energy and thus God is vibration, including light and electromagnetism. God is the cosmos and the Self and it is expressed as energy. In this regard, there is no difference b/n physics and religion, or science as a whole. I myself had severe problems with the God concept when starting out on the K path 18 odd months ago, holding Mr. Persinger's views of the complete sceptic at heart. Nevertheless, I had been trained in the natural sciences and there the maxim is "Everything is energy and conservation of such". By hearing theories of a non dual "God" / "Self", the road to a combination b/n the concept of energy and Self was not long and fully acceptable for my then very closed mind. I suppose hearing that evolution works with energy and having studied its change through the geological times /aeons as well as in real time in the developing embryo (a very beautiful sight), was a primer for a science approach to non duality. >This commentator says that Persinger is making the same mistake: just >because the spiritual experiences happen as the result of a complex >electromagnetic phenomenon in the brain doesn't mean the brain is generating >them. It could be a receiver, like a TV or radio receiver. Persinger et al measure the effects of the waves, and with it they can simulate spiritual states, thus "proving" that religious experience is in our brains only. He takes little into account the basic and most underlying reasons why ppl can experience such states outside of a simulated high energy el.magnetic field. Also, nature does not waste energy so what would be the very reason for humans being able to perceive these el.mag. vibrations at all ? Is it only for us to be confused by power lines and the like ? Or did it serve some function in early man or our ancestors and has never lost its usefulness and thus been kept during evolution ? Nature has still many mysteries about senses and perceivment. It is still not fully known exactly how birds navigate, nor how cells keep track of time, nor how the deep diving swordfish manages to see in high pressure conditions which would have left a mammalian eye useless. >The sense of love and Sacred Presence can be so >strong that I come near to tears. > >She is my Mother, my Lover and my Wife. This really is the hot line to God. ) What an absolutely beautiful and blissful experiences these must have been ! ) Breathtaking ! ) >Then I felt Her lift me up. Somehow I had become tiny, I looked up into Her >eyes. She gave me Her nipple and I drank Her milk like a new-born infant. I >fell asleep snuggled against Her breast, feeling Her arms supporting me >against Her body. It is said that yogis live and rest in the arms of God like a child lives in the arms of its mother. (Someone else on the list can probably present the direct quote of that) What you describe here may be the feeling of immense and boundless reverence and caring love that is transmitted and exchanged b/n God / Goddess and the open minded / open souled / surrendered individual. I have experienced similar states of directly being fed by the energy and I take it to be receiving supporting energy from source. >I suppose I could >take a human lover again but it wouldn't be the same! Now I have experienced >the real thing ... Yes, what humans are and what humans search for in a partner is often something very different than this. I now understand better how monks can live without a human partner and why some spiritual traditions require a life as an unmarried individual. I can see why for some it would seem of greatest importance. >The part of me that thought it had my life under control -- what they call >the super-ego -- is so confused! But there is another part, a new part of me >I never knew before, which is absolutely sure of the Path. It takes its >guidance not from within me but from somewhere outside. I trust it and >follow it, for it is the part of me which is part of Her. All I know of it >for sure is that it leads me closer and closer to God. This is surrender. It is rare to find it so deep and trusting and a treat and an inspiration to read. Thank you very much for letting us read a very beautiful example of surrender. Thank you also to Dharma for posting this letter to the list. Much love, Amanda. --------- End Forwarded Message --------- Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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