Guest guest Posted March 9, 2000 Report Share Posted March 9, 2000 In a message dated 03/09/2000 8:03:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, kvy9 writes: << "In order to find Life, one has to lose life first," the Kathopanishad, "dying while remaining alive", it all points to same: the "sour apple" comes before the nectar. The "nectar of immortality" will flow spontaneously whereas the "sour apple" has to be processed in (inner) solitude. Jan >> That's really interesting Jan. Have been dreaming rather intensely on karma which seems to be part of the past, but perhaps is currently still being "eaten" by some people as to digest or burn off on a more collective level. Or perhaps not. I really don't know. Can you speak more to the digestion of the sour apple in inner solitude? What do you mean? BTW, Greg, thanks :-)~ ... upside of the city, and the reason i live just on the edge of the country, so that sometimes i can touch base with that citiness. My English lately is atrocious, I've noticed when I reread my emails, I'll try and do better, must be painful to read <g>. Love and Light All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 At 16:53 09/03/00 -0000, you wrote: >"Gill Collingwood" <gill > >Hi Roger, > >> NonDuality or Advaita Vedanta is the 6th System of Indian Philosophy. If >> you're unrealized the appropriate system is the 4th System of Indian >> Philosophy called Yoga. (not just Hatha yoga but all the other types & >> tantra too). >> >> If ya put the cart before the horse yer not going anywhere! > >I just rejoined the list, and was debating whether to re-introduce >myself. Now I've read this... and it seems perfectly true. So what >am I doing here? >Answers on a postcard please.... Gill, My great friend, Because imho, we all deserve to be treated with respect. We all are limited entities with visions of beyond. We all are discussing the elephant's identity. We are all of equal importance. Because, imho, you are a part of all that is, and deserving of respect, love and gratitude, however you/we/I/they see yourself. Plus you're funny, bright, genuine, kind and wise. And anyone who wants to dispute your right to be here will have to face me. But of course I'm biased. Love 'n Hugs Rob A special transmission outside the scriptures No dependence upon words and letters Direct pointing to the soul of man Seeing into one's own nature and attainment of Buddhahood Bodhidharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 In a message dated 03/10/2000 5:46:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, Robert_Weil writes about Gill: > Because, imho, you are a part of all that is, and deserving of respect, > love and gratitude, however you/we/I/they see yourself. Plus you're funny, > bright, genuine, kind and wise. And anyone who wants to dispute your right > to be here will have to face me. > > But of course I'm biased. Me too.... Welcome Gill! What a nice surprise seeing you here... Much Love, xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2000 Report Share Posted March 10, 2000 On 3/9/00 at 8:47 PM Rainbolily wrote: ¤ ¤In a message dated 03/09/2000 8:03:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, ¤kvy9 writes: ¤ ¤<< "In order ¤ to find Life, one has to lose life first," the Kathopanishad, ¤ "dying while remaining alive", it all points to same: the ¤ "sour apple" comes before the nectar. The "nectar of ¤ immortality" will flow spontaneously whereas the "sour apple" ¤ has to be processed in (inner) solitude. ¤ ¤ Jan >> ¤ ¤That's really interesting Jan. Have been dreaming rather intensely ¤on karma which seems to be part of the past, but perhaps is currently ¤still being "eaten" by some people as to digest or burn off on a more ¤collective level. Or perhaps not. I really don't know. Can you ¤speak more to the digestion of the sour apple in inner solitude? ¤What do you mean? The sour apple stands for the taste of leaving life while living. Although everyone knows that each day can be the last one, nevertheless one is living as if "worldy life" will last forever. How else can one know attachment, other than taking leave while living? This isn't supposed to be the "fun" part of meditation and there isn't the possibility to share it with loved ones (who probably wouldn't understand but certainly would be grieved) so only inner solitude is left. The importance of it ties in with an earlier post on the NDS, ----- Recognition of "who you are" doesn't depend on conditions, it is spontaneous when conditioning is temporarily forgotten. What happens "next" depends on how "resumed" conditioning is interpreted. When the joyful forgetfulness of all conditioning leaves a desire beyond compare, that could mean the lethal "I" disease has been caught ---- as +What happens "next"+ depends on it. Without any attachment, the recognition will be pure and it will be clear "It" is the source of joy so all "wordly" pleasures are rendered powerless by such a recognition. Without such a "pre-enlightenment" practice, the "eating of the sour apple" will take much longer: "I" cannot enter the "kingdom of heaven". Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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