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Namaste All,

 

Could somebody please sort out the gobbledegook, and

please tell me what the words, 'realisation',

'enlightened', mean, to these lists?

 

My understanding, up until now was that they meant the

same thing as Moksha/Liberation/No Mind/Merging with

the Self etc. It is confusing to my mind, yes I still

have one.

 

Here is where I am at, perhaps someone can tell me

which slot I am.ha ah a aha. That comes from ekagratha

or practising one-pointedness.

 

I have a mind, somewhat dysfunctional, sometimes

happy, sometimes depressed, like many who quietly

living their lives. Not in quiet desperation as

someone said, Lincoln?

 

I have some spiritual and K experiences, also some

kind of 'samadhis'. Also some kind of non dual,

oneness type happenings. I know I am part of a whole

and that really I am an illusion.

 

I see that all is the universal everywhere, my dog,

the tree everybody. So I am enlightened to that

extent, and I realise my situation or illusion.

 

I find the teachings of Ramanashram to be true for me.

Also other Jnanis like Jesus, Sankara, Maharaj etc.

All Adwaitic. However I have a Bhakti dimension as

well.

 

However I still have a mind and I still see the world,

that means to me that I haven't finished the journey.

 

 

So what do these words mean? Realisation,

Enlightened.I know what Moksha, Maya and illusion

mean.

 

Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.

 

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ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,

THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,

MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.

OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.

 

 

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Tony,

 

Like Harsha (I think) said, you are unique and authentic. And I love you,

feel your power and passion in all this. You are going to get a lot of

answers on this!!

 

It was Thoreau, in Walden I think, who said "The mass of men lead lives of

quiet desperation."

 

Here is my concept of enlightenment/nirvana, etc.

 

Samsara is seeing a difference between nirvana and samsara.

Nirvana is not seeing a difference between nirvana and samsara.

 

There is really no individualized entity to be the possessor of

enlightenment or unenlightenment. Enlightenment or its lack cannot reside

in any of the 5 koshas, because the koshas are not more than appearances in

consciousness. There is no real "X" and "Y," where we can say "X" is

enlightened and "Y" is not enlightened. If one truly believes that some

real "X" are enlightened and others are not, then there's a sticky belief

in some kind of jiva or lifestream that is the holder of enlightenment.

And what exactly would that holder be? Instead, all is light. This of

course is consistent with your traditional definition of sahaja samadhi, no

mind, no samskaras, etc.

 

In a conventional-teaching sense, however, enlightenment is often used as

an encouraging and motivational term. It is an inspirational way to

recognize great world-teachers, and there are many of us who would like to

emulate them. (Like Jerry, I don't have the hair for it!!) But oddly

enough, these great teachers never say that people must be vastly

influential and famous like they themselves are. No, often they rather

say, just BE. And another purpose of the term "enlightenment" is like the

ultimate goal-of-goals for the sadhaka, and interpreted each to her own.

This keeps one on steadily the path. It functions like this until it falls

away. I think Osho said, "Enlightenment is a concept for the

unelightened," a phrase which paradoxically mixes both the conventional and

esoteric levels. And then, as you know from scripture and literature,

there is often that irreversible non-moment outside of time when the whole

thing is intuited, and laughter results. I don't have the citation, but I

heard it attributed to Buddha this saying. Another saying that mixes both

the conventional and esoteric levels:

 

"When I was enlightened, I saw that the whole

world had always been enlightened.

 

With love,

 

--Greg

>Tony O'Clery <aoclery

>

>Namaste All,

>

>Could somebody please sort out the gobbledegook, and

>please tell me what the words, 'realisation',

>'enlightened', mean, to these lists?

>My understanding, up until now was that they meant the

>same thing as Moksha/Liberation/No Mind/Merging with

>the Self etc. It is confusing to my mind, yes I still

>have one.

>

>Here is where I am at, perhaps someone can tell me

>which slot I am.ha ah a aha. That comes from ekagratha

>or practising one-pointedness.

>

>I have a mind, somewhat dysfunctional, sometimes

>happy, sometimes depressed, like many who quietly

>living their lives. Not in quiet desperation as

>someone said, Lincoln?

 

>

>I have some spiritual and K experiences, also some

>kind of 'samadhis'. Also some kind of non dual,

>oneness type happenings. I know I am part of a whole

>and that really I am an illusion.

>

> I see that all is the universal everywhere, my dog,

>the tree everybody. So I am enlightened to that

>extent, and I realise my situation or illusion.

>

>I find the teachings of Ramanashram to be true for me.

>Also other Jnanis like Jesus, Sankara, Maharaj etc.

>All Adwaitic. However I have a Bhakti dimension as

>well.

>

>However I still have a mind and I still see the world,

>that means to me that I haven't finished the journey.

>

>

>So what do these words mean? Realisation,

>Enlightened.I know what Moksha, Maya and illusion

>mean.

>

>Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.

>

>=====

>http://members.xoom.com/aoclery/sanskritglos.htm

>

>ASATHO MA SATH GAMAYA, From the unreal lead me to the real,

>THAMASO MA JYOTHIR GAMAYA, From darkness, lead me to light,

>MRITHYOR MA AMRITAM GAMAYA.From death, lead me to immortality.

>OM, SHANTI SHANTI SHANTI. Om, Peace Peace Peace.

>

>

>Talk to your friends online with Messenger.

>http://im.

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