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>Hello,

>

>A web site concerning "Pith Instructions on the Great Perfection

>(Dzogchen or Maha Ati)" the Buddhist non-dual teachings follows:

>

>http://www.shambhala.org/teachers/pema/perfection.html

>

>A sampler, first two paragraphs, follows:

>

>"The everyday practice is simply to develop a complete acceptance and

>openness to all situations and emotions, and to all people,

>experiencing everything totally without mental reservations and

>blockages, so that one never withdraws or centralizes into oneself.

>

>This produces a tremendous energy which is usually locked up in the

>process of mental evasion and a general running away from life

>experiences."

>

>Very useful process if one is capable of doing it.

>

>Victor

 

Hi Victor, thanks for this helpful post.

 

I wonder, do we likewise develop an openness

to the person we thought was our "self"?

When one "observes" all beings with

equanimity, who is it that could

possibly "withdraw into oneself"

where would "centralization" occur?

 

There is an imaginary cave assumed

to house a being mulling over private thoughts

and processing sensory experiences -

looking out at others who look back at the being,

locking out others and the world that

seems to want to "get at the being",

manipulating the world from a stance

and perspective.

 

Ending this private space is to be

"right here" with no

interpretation, no reactivity,

no carrying of the past as "me".

 

It is to see that the only

reality of the thinker is

with the arising of thought.

The only reality of the cave is

the belief that a being

could inhabit such a cave.

 

I like your comment, as it reminds me

of an old jazz tune:

"It's good work, if you can get it!"

 

Love,

Dan

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, "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd@u...>

wrote:

>

> >Hello,

> >

> >A web site concerning "Pith Instructions on the Great Perfection

> >(Dzogchen or Maha Ati)" the Buddhist non-dual teachings follows:

> >

> >http://www.shambhala.org/teachers/pema/perfection.html

> >

> >A sampler, first two paragraphs, follows:

> >

> >"The everyday practice is simply to develop a complete acceptance

and

> >openness to all situations and emotions, and to all people,

> >experiencing everything totally without mental reservations and

> >blockages, so that one never withdraws or centralizes into oneself.

> >

> >This produces a tremendous energy which is usually locked up in the

> >process of mental evasion and a general running away from life

> >experiences."

> >

> >Very useful process if one is capable of doing it.

> >

> >Victor

>

> Hi Victor, thanks for this helpful post.

>

> I wonder, do we likewise develop an openness

> to the person we thought was our "self"?

> When one "observes" all beings with

> equanimity, who is it that could

> possibly "withdraw into oneself"

> where would "centralization" occur?

 

It seems that withdrawal and centralization can only occur within the

thought processes. When there is only awareness this cannot happen??

So what happens to thoughts when there is only awareness? Do we

simply become zombies with no thoughts?

> There is an imaginary cave assumed

> to house a being mulling over private thoughts

> and processing sensory experiences -

> looking out at others who look back at the being,

> locking out others and the world that

> seems to want to "get at the being",

> manipulating the world from a stance

> and perspective.

> Ending this private space is to be

> "right here" with no

> interpretation, no reactivity,

> no carrying of the past as "me".

 

So what happened to the thoughts? Are they gone? Wither and whence?

> It is to see that the only

> reality of the thinker is

> with the arising of thought.

> The only reality of the cave is

> the belief that a being

> could inhabit such a cave.

>

> I like your comment, as it reminds me

> of an old jazz tune:

> "It's good work, if you can get it!"

 

Another stuck in duality post. Blundering about in the blind.

 

Victor

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Hi Victor,

 

Regarding zombi-ism, thinking and activity, perhaps the two responses

posted at the NDS can clarify some:

 

 

What propels one into action are samskaras ("subliminal activators") and

although with the demise of "I", the influence of past samskaras will end

too, the samskaras made in the present life are enough to provide for

adequate response (no response or being baffled is a kind of response too).

Even formulating a "new idea/concept" can be seen as a response instead of

an initiative. From the perspective that samskaras, rising to the surface,

force to action, it can be said there is no free will, only choice. A

choice made, will give rise to conditions, favoring the rising of certain

samskaras, giving choices again etc. For "I", the primary choice is to give

up or not :)

 

It will be clear that verbalizing or not verbalizing the arisen samskaras

wouldn't make a difference: the habit is to verbalize them, as if an

audience is listening along. When for instance driving, the reverse

happens: one doesn't (verbally) think " first gear, up to 7000 rpm, switch

into second gear, full throttle until 7000 rpm, drop to 6000 before the

turn, up to 7000 again and switch into third": thinking happens without any

verbalizing. When the sense of doership is lost, verbalizing the activity

for which the sense of doership is lost, will cease effortlessly :) Imagine

the deafening silence when the sense of "I" gets lost...

 

Jan

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>> D: I wonder, do we likewise develop an openness

>> to the person we thought was our "self"?

>> When one "observes" all beings with

>> equanimity, who is it that could

>> possibly "withdraw into oneself"

>> where would "centralization" occur?

>

>It seems that withdrawal and centralization can only occur within the

>thought processes. When there is only awareness this cannot happen??

> So what happens to thoughts when there is only awareness? Do we

>simply become zombies with no thoughts?

 

D: No. Thoughts occur as needed. There is no identification, because

identification dies as each thought is released. There is no

illusion and delusion related to a continuing "identifier".

>> There is an imaginary cave assumed

>> to house a being mulling over private thoughts

>> and processing sensory experiences -

>> looking out at others who look back at the being,

>> locking out others and the world that

>> seems to want to "get at the being",

>> manipulating the world from a stance

>> and perspective.

>

>> Ending this private space is to be

>> "right here" with no

>> interpretation, no reactivity,

>> no carrying of the past as "me".

>

>So what happened to the thoughts? Are they gone? Wither and whence?

 

D: Thoughts arise in response to events that require thought-processes.

Thoughts are like everything else, they arise in interdepedent

relationship with everything else. What ends is thought that

serves a purpose for a thinker assumed to exist as an entity

separate from thought. Obsessive thinking ends. The intent

to gratify a "me" ends.

 

>> It is to see that the only

>> reality of the thinker is

>> with the arising of thought.

>> The only reality of the cave is

>> the belief that a being

>> could inhabit such a cave.

>>

>> I like your comment, as it reminds me

>> of an old jazz tune:

>> "It's good work, if you can get it!"

>

>Another stuck in duality post. Blundering about in the blind.

 

D: I think W. Blake suggested that if one finds oneself blundering,

keep blundering, eventually wisdom will be found.

 

Love,

Dan

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