Guest guest Posted March 12, 2000 Report Share Posted March 12, 2000 >Hello, > >A web site concerning "Pith Instructions on the Great Perfection >(Dzogchen or Maha Ati)" the Buddhist non-dual teachings follows: > >http://www.shambhala.org/teachers/pema/perfection.html > >A sampler, first two paragraphs, follows: > >"The everyday practice is simply to develop a complete acceptance and >openness to all situations and emotions, and to all people, >experiencing everything totally without mental reservations and >blockages, so that one never withdraws or centralizes into oneself. > >This produces a tremendous energy which is usually locked up in the >process of mental evasion and a general running away from life >experiences." > >Very useful process if one is capable of doing it. > >Victor Hi Victor, thanks for this helpful post. I wonder, do we likewise develop an openness to the person we thought was our "self"? When one "observes" all beings with equanimity, who is it that could possibly "withdraw into oneself" where would "centralization" occur? There is an imaginary cave assumed to house a being mulling over private thoughts and processing sensory experiences - looking out at others who look back at the being, locking out others and the world that seems to want to "get at the being", manipulating the world from a stance and perspective. Ending this private space is to be "right here" with no interpretation, no reactivity, no carrying of the past as "me". It is to see that the only reality of the thinker is with the arising of thought. The only reality of the cave is the belief that a being could inhabit such a cave. I like your comment, as it reminds me of an old jazz tune: "It's good work, if you can get it!" Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2000 Report Share Posted March 12, 2000 , "Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd@u...> wrote: > > >Hello, > > > >A web site concerning "Pith Instructions on the Great Perfection > >(Dzogchen or Maha Ati)" the Buddhist non-dual teachings follows: > > > >http://www.shambhala.org/teachers/pema/perfection.html > > > >A sampler, first two paragraphs, follows: > > > >"The everyday practice is simply to develop a complete acceptance and > >openness to all situations and emotions, and to all people, > >experiencing everything totally without mental reservations and > >blockages, so that one never withdraws or centralizes into oneself. > > > >This produces a tremendous energy which is usually locked up in the > >process of mental evasion and a general running away from life > >experiences." > > > >Very useful process if one is capable of doing it. > > > >Victor > > Hi Victor, thanks for this helpful post. > > I wonder, do we likewise develop an openness > to the person we thought was our "self"? > When one "observes" all beings with > equanimity, who is it that could > possibly "withdraw into oneself" > where would "centralization" occur? It seems that withdrawal and centralization can only occur within the thought processes. When there is only awareness this cannot happen?? So what happens to thoughts when there is only awareness? Do we simply become zombies with no thoughts? > There is an imaginary cave assumed > to house a being mulling over private thoughts > and processing sensory experiences - > looking out at others who look back at the being, > locking out others and the world that > seems to want to "get at the being", > manipulating the world from a stance > and perspective. > Ending this private space is to be > "right here" with no > interpretation, no reactivity, > no carrying of the past as "me". So what happened to the thoughts? Are they gone? Wither and whence? > It is to see that the only > reality of the thinker is > with the arising of thought. > The only reality of the cave is > the belief that a being > could inhabit such a cave. > > I like your comment, as it reminds me > of an old jazz tune: > "It's good work, if you can get it!" Another stuck in duality post. Blundering about in the blind. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2000 Report Share Posted March 12, 2000 Hi Victor, Regarding zombi-ism, thinking and activity, perhaps the two responses posted at the NDS can clarify some: What propels one into action are samskaras ("subliminal activators") and although with the demise of "I", the influence of past samskaras will end too, the samskaras made in the present life are enough to provide for adequate response (no response or being baffled is a kind of response too). Even formulating a "new idea/concept" can be seen as a response instead of an initiative. From the perspective that samskaras, rising to the surface, force to action, it can be said there is no free will, only choice. A choice made, will give rise to conditions, favoring the rising of certain samskaras, giving choices again etc. For "I", the primary choice is to give up or not It will be clear that verbalizing or not verbalizing the arisen samskaras wouldn't make a difference: the habit is to verbalize them, as if an audience is listening along. When for instance driving, the reverse happens: one doesn't (verbally) think " first gear, up to 7000 rpm, switch into second gear, full throttle until 7000 rpm, drop to 6000 before the turn, up to 7000 again and switch into third": thinking happens without any verbalizing. When the sense of doership is lost, verbalizing the activity for which the sense of doership is lost, will cease effortlessly Imagine the deafening silence when the sense of "I" gets lost... Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2000 Report Share Posted March 13, 2000 >> D: I wonder, do we likewise develop an openness >> to the person we thought was our "self"? >> When one "observes" all beings with >> equanimity, who is it that could >> possibly "withdraw into oneself" >> where would "centralization" occur? > >It seems that withdrawal and centralization can only occur within the >thought processes. When there is only awareness this cannot happen?? > So what happens to thoughts when there is only awareness? Do we >simply become zombies with no thoughts? D: No. Thoughts occur as needed. There is no identification, because identification dies as each thought is released. There is no illusion and delusion related to a continuing "identifier". >> There is an imaginary cave assumed >> to house a being mulling over private thoughts >> and processing sensory experiences - >> looking out at others who look back at the being, >> locking out others and the world that >> seems to want to "get at the being", >> manipulating the world from a stance >> and perspective. > >> Ending this private space is to be >> "right here" with no >> interpretation, no reactivity, >> no carrying of the past as "me". > >So what happened to the thoughts? Are they gone? Wither and whence? D: Thoughts arise in response to events that require thought-processes. Thoughts are like everything else, they arise in interdepedent relationship with everything else. What ends is thought that serves a purpose for a thinker assumed to exist as an entity separate from thought. Obsessive thinking ends. The intent to gratify a "me" ends. >> It is to see that the only >> reality of the thinker is >> with the arising of thought. >> The only reality of the cave is >> the belief that a being >> could inhabit such a cave. >> >> I like your comment, as it reminds me >> of an old jazz tune: >> "It's good work, if you can get it!" > >Another stuck in duality post. Blundering about in the blind. D: I think W. Blake suggested that if one finds oneself blundering, keep blundering, eventually wisdom will be found. Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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