RE: [NondualitySalon] Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and the Lost Truth

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Bruce Morgen [editor]

Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:24 PM

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Re: [NondualitySalon] Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and the Lost Truth

 

Bruce Morgen <editor

 

Gee, Henry, this makes me

wonder if you read the same

site that I recommended.

Oh well....

 

 

 

I am glad that you recommended the site Bruce. There are multiple

perspectives on everything if we remain open to the possibilities. OH made

useful observations to Melody about how perceptions about brilliant teachers

can change when you observe them on a day to day basis (or get married to

them and have to actually live with them)!

 

The fact is that most human beings love dead masters. This way, they can

allow their imagination to create the master in their own image. Even a

living master is really a product of imagination as Old hag/divine princess

suggested.

 

Unless the nature of imagination, which gives life and power to everything

including dead and living masters is understood, dancing to its music is the

only choice available.

 

People speak of seven levels or 172 levels of consciousness, etc. Where do

these exist, except in imagination. Is a higher level of imagination

superior because it is a higher level of dreaming?

 

Ultimately, the problem is not the guru (even though he or she might be

totally confused). The problem is the imagination that leads people to

believe that salvation lies somewhere other than where they already are.

 

Love

Harsha

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:10:17 -0500 "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)"

<hluthar writes:

> "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" <hluthar

>

>

> Bruce Morgen [editor]

> Tuesday, March 14, 2000 12:24 PM

> NondualitySalon

> Re: [NondualitySalon] Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and

> the Lost Truth

>

> Bruce Morgen <editor

>

> Gee, Henry, this makes me

> wonder if you read the same

> site that I recommended.

> Oh well....

>

>

>

> I am glad that you recommended the site Bruce.

 

No regrets here, either. :-)

> There are multiple

> perspectives on everything if we remain open to the possibilities.

> OH made

> useful observations to Melody about how perceptions about brilliant

> teachers

> can change when you observe them on a day to day basis (or get

> married to them and have to actually live with them)!

 

That was a great post (as

usual) from my beloved

OH, what a sheer joy she is!

>

> The fact is that most human beings love dead masters. This way, they

> can allow their imagination to create the master in their own image.

 

Like an arrow, Harsha!

> Even a

> living master is really a product of imagination as Old hag/divine

> princess suggested.

 

Indeed.

>

> Unless the nature of imagination, which gives life and power to

> everything

> including dead and living masters is understood, dancing to its

> music is the only choice available.

 

Exactly.

>

> People speak of seven levels or 172 levels of consciousness, etc.

> Where do

> these exist, except in imagination. Is a higher level of imagination

> superior because it is a higher level of dreaming?

 

I'm sure I don't know, and

I can't imagine it mattering.

:-)

>

> Ultimately, the problem is not the guru (even though he or she might

> be totally confused). The problem is the imagination that leads people

> to believe that salvation lies somewhere other than where they already

> are.

>

Perfectly stated, thank you,

> Love

> Harsha

>

There is always that -- Bruce

 

 

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Melody [melody]

Tuesday, March 14, 2000 5:06 PM

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Re: [NondualitySalon] Osho, Bhagwan Rajneesh, and

the Lost Truth

 

"Melody" <melody

 

Harsha wrote, in part:

> The fact is that most human beings love dead masters. This way, they can

> allow their imagination to create the master in their own image. Even a

> living master is really a product of imagination as Old hag/divine

princess

> suggested.

>

> Unless the nature of imagination, which gives life and power to everything

> including dead and living masters is understood, dancing to its music is

the

> only choice available.

 

 

 

This is an interesting statement, Harsha. Would

you mind elaborating a bit on this?

 

You have shared many times of your own love for a dead

master. How does the nature of your imagination give life

and power to the Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi?

 

love,

Melody

 

 

There is no Harsha, as you see Harsha, apart from your imagination Melody.

Therefore, any explanation of Harsha's imagination giving life to Ramana

would become only part of your imagination.

 

Indeed only our own imagination can give life and power to others.

Imagination is the most beautiful veil and yet cannot completely contain the

nature of reality and hide the Radiance of the Self. The seeds and power of

awakening lie in this profound understanding that you yourself constitute

all the characters in your dream and you yourself always permeate

imagination in all its forms.

 

Ramana Maharshi once said beautifully that just as the elephant wakes up

upon seeing a lion in his dream, the devotee wakes up upon seeing the Guru

in his dream.

 

Love

Harsha

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At 02:26 PM 3/14/00 -0500, Bruce Morgen wrote:

>> Bruce Morgen <editor

>>

>> Gee, Henry, this makes me

>> wonder if you read the same

>> site that I recommended.

>> Oh well....

 

I missed it - what site was that?

 

--Greg

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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:04:09 -0500 Greg Goode <goode writes:

> Greg Goode <goode

>

> At 02:26 PM 3/14/00 -0500, Bruce Morgen wrote:

>

> >> Bruce Morgen <editor

> >>

> >> Gee, Henry, this makes me

> >> wonder if you read the same

> >> site that I recommended.

> >> Oh well....

>

> I missed it - what site was that?

>

http://www.clipper.net/~calder/Osho.html

 

 

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Harsha wrote, in part:

> The fact is that most human beings love dead masters. This way, they can

> allow their imagination to create the master in their own image. Even a

> living master is really a product of imagination as Old hag/divine princess

> suggested.

>

> Unless the nature of imagination, which gives life and power to everything

> including dead and living masters is understood, dancing to its music is the

> only choice available.

 

 

 

This is an interesting statement, Harsha. Would

you mind elaborating a bit on this?

 

You have shared many times of your own love for a dead

master. How does the nature of your imagination give life

and power to the Bhagavan Sri Ramana Maharshi?

 

love,

Melody

 

 

 

 

HeartWalk

 

"The heart pulsating in love becomes a flute on the lips of God, and a song is

born." ~ Osho

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Hi Roger,

 

Your thoughts here really peaked my interest.

 

In particular....

> We could make a distinction between individual imagination and cosmic

> imagination.

 

 

Cosmic imagination. Yes. And is not cosmic imagination

the same as Jung's archetype? Is not cosmic imagination

reflected in the Roman and Greek gods and goddesses

to name only one example?

 

>

> Individual imagination is born of brain/memory activity in one cranium.

> Usually the individual takes ownership of such imagination, where in fact

> it's largely a biological phenomenon.

>

 

I don't quite follow this, Roger. What comes to mind is that of

people in comas. Even while in coma an individual is using 'imagery'....

and often this imagery relates certainly to their past 'experience'...but it

is experience formed and informed by the collective 'experience'.

 

How is it then a biological phenomenon, rather than a mental/psychic

phenomenon?

 

<snip to my next question>

 

> We can't say that Harsha exists only in Melody's individual imagination,

> unless Melody & I are having a sychronized delusion.

 

 

Is it synchronized in that we both give the same 'meaning' to the

delusion.....even though this agreement as to 'meaning' can be quite

unconscious and automatic?

 

Gosh...I'm really enjoying this thread. :-)

 

love,

Melody