Guest guest Posted March 17, 2000 Report Share Posted March 17, 2000 > > D: The only way to know what is unreal is to be Real. If you are somehow > > "outside" of Reality, and hoping to gain Reality by rejecting > > what is unreal, you are talking about a contradictory process. > > Because how would one be able to know what is unreal unless > > "standing" in and as the Real? > >R I say the way to truth, for me, is by rejecting the false. You say my > process is contradictory. How extraordinary! How is it that you know what > is better for me, better than I could possibly know for myself? You have > more information about my inner insight than I do? Buttin' in this lovely conversation for a sec. This is pretty much the whole gist of A Course in Miracles... by rejecting/denying the false and choosing instead to see the truth... being willing to see (someone/something) differently. I'm still trying to figure out whats false though so I can deny it. In the meantime, I deny everything... (I didn't do it!) I still say, if you are searching for truth, it doesn't matter if you do it via clipping your toenails or meditating 16 hours a day, it'll work if you are diligent in your search. Love,xxxtg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2000 Report Share Posted March 17, 2000 > >R: > >Well, I have to be honest and say that as of this moment at least, > >perceptually I am associated with this body connected to these fingers doing > >the typing. Occasionally & increasingly so I am only the resident and not > >the structure itself. > > D: That's a conceptualization of it. But what is the reality > beyond concepts? Admittedly, that will never be spoken or written. > Yet, it's that reality in which there is no "I" to be associated > with a body, and in which "body" itself is a conceptualization. > The "resident" who has no structure turns out to be the "whole universe". > > >R: Yet, at no time am I either Melody or Harsha in any perceptual way. I > >understand conceptually that Melody and Harsha might someday be literally > >known as Myself. However, I have to admit that this is only a concept and > >not reality today. > > D: You sound convinced that you're separate from Melody and Harsha. > Yet earlier you discussed how you form images of Melody and > Harsha, and vice versa. You spoke of a "cosmic imagination" > in which this all occurs. So are you saying this "cosmic > imagination" you discussed is just a concept that might become > a perceived reality? You say that "this is only a concept and not > a reality today" - yet as I see it only that which is real > now is reality. In sticking to what is real right now, I say > there is indeed reality in which you, Harsha, and Melody are > each included in the other. And this reality is no one's possession. > It is real now quite directly and it is the only "Way" that any > of this is able to manifest. R: you say my reality is only a concept. Is that really true? If so, how is your reality different? I say Harsha & Melody & I are perceptually distinct, from my perspective. I am not them. You have some need to deny the reality of others and have them accept your version of reality, even if it's false for them? Your line of thinking seems to deny the existance of ordinary waking consciousness. Apparently you'd prefer that most of the world see you as delusional? Your delight is a display of irrationality! Ah, that's it! > >R: Yet, "the way" to Truth, for me, is by rejecting that which is NOT real. > >Imagining false unity with Harsha & Melody would seem to lead further into > >individual mind and thus further away from the promise of cosmic mind. > > D: The only way to know what is unreal is to be Real. If you are somehow > "outside" of Reality, and hoping to gain Reality by rejecting > what is unreal, you are talking about a contradictory process. > Because how would one be able to know what is unreal unless > "standing" in and as the Real? I say the way to truth, for me, is by rejecting the false. You say my process is contradictory. How extraordinary! How is it that you know what is better for me, better than I could possibly know for myself? You have more information about my inner insight than I do? How is it best that I surrender my inner guiding insight to any willful know-it-all? >From here, Dan, it appears that your way has nothing to do with inquiry. Isn't your game a non-dual intellectual one-upsmanship, a cunning manipulative exercise in irrationality? Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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