Guest guest Posted March 21, 2000 Report Share Posted March 21, 2000 >M: It describes the classical neti-neti way, which I regard >as a dangerous teaching because it presumes from the start that there is >something to be found, just take all appearances away, and it will be there. >This presumption will become a self-fulfilling reality, leaving the seeker >with this presumed 'I' which is then equated with the Self. But we could go >into this at another time if you like. D: Greetings, Moller. Enjoying your commentary here. There is no other time to go into this, only now :-) As seen here: Neti, neti undermines the very assumptions that allow one to use neti, neti as a process. It ends thinking in terms of process, getting somewhere, or knowing where one is starting, or who would be starting. So, in a sense it may be dangerous, in the sense that disorientation, the unknown may be dangerous. Yet, in the end, the negation negates itself. Neti inevitably undermines its own position to negate. It is a "tool" to be discarded, at the point where there is no point, no place to stand. If neti, neti "occurs" instantly and totally, rather than one piece at a time, everything is instantly thrown into doubt, even the basis for doubting anything is thrown into doubt. Instantly "done" it is nonvolitional and timeless. It ends the assumptions, the comparisons that give a sense of time. Certainly any assumption that something will be left is to be discarded. So my view of neti, neti is that it allows no place to rest, no assumption, no affirmation. The opposite of neti, neti is to include All. Including everything leads to the inclusion of negation. To include all is to negate all. Creation and destruction are mutually interdependent. To come into being is to go out of being, to be is to be not. Love, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2000 Report Share Posted March 23, 2000 Dear Dan, Yes Dan, as usual you are perfectly right. Yours is indeed a very interesting presentation of this 'practice'. It could indeed undermine everything even itself. As an afterthought to my letter to Roger on some thing he send us about Barry ?, I felt it may just be worth pointing to the traditional approach to this method. They say take away everything, and what remains will be the Self, reality etc. But they seem to approach the process from the position that none of the things they reject are reality/Self. Ie, I am not my mind, my body etc. To be able to say this, there must be knowledge of what the I/Self is. So the whole thing starts with an assumption. If the Self is All, and this Self is not my body, what is the body then? So I was trying to point to this difficulty in this practice which can be very misleading unless understood as you have so beautifully explained it. Thank you for that. love and respect, Your Brother M Dan Berkow, PhD <berkowd < > 21 March 2000 09:05 Re: neti yeti/Moller >"Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd > >>M: It describes the classical neti-neti way, which I regard >>as a dangerous teaching because it presumes from the start that there is >>something to be found, just take all appearances away, and it will be there. >>This presumption will become a self-fulfilling reality, leaving the seeker >>with this presumed 'I' which is then equated with the Self. But we could go >>into this at another time if you like. > >D: Greetings, Moller. Enjoying your commentary here. > There is no other time to go into this, only > now :-) > As seen here: > Neti, neti undermines the very assumptions that allow > one to use neti, neti as a process. > It ends thinking in terms of process, getting somewhere, > or knowing where one is starting, or who would be starting. > So, in a sense it may be dangerous, in the sense that disorientation, > the unknown may be dangerous. Yet, in the end, the negation > negates itself. Neti inevitably undermines its own position > to negate. It is a "tool" to be discarded, at the point > where there is no point, no place to stand. > > If neti, neti "occurs" instantly and totally, rather than > one piece at a time, everything is instantly > thrown into doubt, even the basis for doubting anything > is thrown into doubt. Instantly "done" it is nonvolitional > and timeless. It ends the assumptions, the comparisons > that give a sense of time. > > Certainly any assumption that something will be left > is to be discarded. > So my view of neti, neti is that it allows no place to > rest, no assumption, no affirmation. > The opposite of neti, neti is to include All. > Including everything leads to the inclusion of negation. > To include all is to negate all. > Creation and destruction are mutually interdependent. > To come into being is to go out of being, to > be is to be not. > > Love, > Dan > > > > >------ >MAXIMIZE YOUR CARD, MINIMIZE YOUR RATE! >Get a NextCard Visa, in 30 seconds! Get rates as low as >0.0% Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR and no hidden fees. >Apply NOW! >http://click./1/2122/5/_/520931/_/953665505/ >------ > >// > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > >To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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