Guest guest Posted March 21, 2000 Report Share Posted March 21, 2000 >At 03:02 PM 3/21/00 -0500, you wrote: >"Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd Thank you Dan, I am responding to the last statement first because it puts the rest into perspective. >>I salute the teacher and the wisdom in you all. Thank you. > >I salute that teacher that is You. The student that is > me is full of questions for the Wisdom that is You. Much better said. The concept remains now, along with the verse to express it. >>I am not 'realized', 'enlightened' nor >>'aware' > >How have you come to this conclusion? Self: 'I' is the identity. What is the reflection to realize? I: I am not realized because I do not know the Self yet. This requires that I... Maybe I should practice this with sock puppets. :-) >>and do not possess the desire to learn from a Master or to give >>counsel. > >In other words, you don't want to gain knowledge, nor do you want >to impart knowledge that you don't have? You're content as you are? The desire is not there. That is not to say that learning/teaching does not occur for me. >>Basically I am worthless. > >Compared to what or who? Compared to the Self, the identity has no value. This scares the hell out of the mind! >>Further, I do not practice meditation and find that when it is undertaken >>it pales in comparison to the 'aliveness' of daily living. Which is quite >>funny considering that I lack the desire to go out and 'live'. > >You said you are not aware. If you are not aware, how can you ascertain > the nature of "aliveness", and how could you compare "aliveness" > to meditation without awareness? The mind can ascertain all sorts of stuff, and best of all, it always makes sense! :-) If I were to be aware, I would know about the Self. If I could know about the Self, I could realize the Self. If the Self is already realized (which can never be otherwise), then of what use is awareness? >>To make it simple and short: another student has arrived. > >What are you studying? How do you study it? A Teacher requires the presence of a Student. If we see ourselves in others, then others can be an indicator of ourselves. That indicator can teach us even through our 'ignorance'. Hence I will always be the Student to the Teacher that I Am. >>I am sorry to say >>that I have learned much already even without anyone here knowing about it. > >What have you learned? Concepts of Realization preclude realization. The effort IS the journey. Paul >I salute that teacher that is You. The student that is > me is full of questions for the Wisdom that is You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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