Neti/Dan

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Dear Danji,

 

Something I picked up (or thought I picked up) from your posting on Neti

neti.

 

You said:

> Taken in its fullness, neti neti undermines the concept of

> somewhere to get or someone getting somewhere.

> And then it undermines itself, for there is then no

> position from which to state "neti, neti," nor any

> assumption upon which to base any further negation.

 

~~(M) Would it be correct to say that neti-neti is essentially a process of

thought/thinking? If so, do you think it is possible for thought to

undermine itself so completely that there is ACTUALLY, EXPERIENTIALLY no

'position' left, leaving in fact only the truth of not-'I' or non-duality?

Would you not say that the truth of the matter is that neti-neti is

ultimately only a pointer and that that to which it points lies in a

different category of direct being or direct experience, totally

non-dependent on the process of neti-neti?

 

Please help me here?

 

Yours as always,

Moller.

 

 

 

 

Dan Berkow, PhD <berkowd

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24 March 2000 04:23

Re: neti neti/Moller

 

>"Dan Berkow, PhD" <berkowd

>

>At 04:33 PM 3/23/00 +0200, you wrote:

>>J M de la Rouviere <moller

>>

>>Dear Dan,

>>

>>Yes Dan, as usual you are perfectly right. Yours is indeed a very

>>interesting presentation of this 'practice'. It could indeed undermine

>>everything even itself.

>>

>>As an afterthought to my letter to Roger on some thing he send us about

>>Barry ?, I felt it may just be worth pointing to the traditional approach

to

>>this method. They say take away everything, and what remains will be the

>>Self, reality etc. But they seem to approach the process from the

position

>>that none of the things they reject are reality/Self. Ie, I am not my

mind,

>>my body etc. To be able to say this, there must be knowledge of what the

>>I/Self is. So the whole thing starts with an assumption. If the Self is

>>All, and this Self is not my body, what is the body then?

>>

>>So I was trying to point to this difficulty in this practice which can be

>>very misleading unless understood as you have so beautifully explained it.

>>

>>Thank you for that.

>>

>>love and respect,

>>

>>Your Brother M

>

>Dear Mollersan,

>I concur. There indeed is a tendency to present neti, neti

> as a way to get to something. There is the assurance

> that Something will remain, a Self, an ultimate Being.

> Taken in its fullness, neti neti undermines the concept of

> somewhere to get or someone getting somewhere.

> And then it undermines itself, for there is then no

> position from which to state "neti, neti," nor any

> assumption upon which to base any further negation.

>

>Perhaps the kind of presentation of neti, neti,

> who you describe accurately, can be taken as luring

> a baby from its position by showing it a rattle.

>Once the baby is moving about freely, it discards its

> rattle and finds other ways to play.

>Ultimately, there is only "play" itself, for the baby

> and the playtoys have disappeared. :-)

>

>Love,

>Dan

>

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