Guest guest Posted March 28, 2000 Report Share Posted March 28, 2000 Passing on Sri Frank-Ji's wisdom. Frankji is one of the most remarkable exponents of nonduality of our times. Love to all Harsha hariH OM! namaste vedic sruti states "all this, verily, is brahman." therefore, we can make no mistake that the world that we see, experienced through the six indriyas (senses) is in fact real; however, as we also know, there is an unreal component within it, and this is where we have to apply viveka, to discriminate and find out those aspects that are unreal. and such [unreal] components lie *exclusively* within one's perception. therefore, it's how we SEE the world that creates or not such unreal aspects. we have to bear in mind that *all* nondual philosophies are applicable only to a point---their purpose basically being to simplify the relative mind and its thought process [enabling one to thus eventually become an apt receiving mechanism for the ineffable Absolute]. however, once [this certain point] is reached where the mind is sufficiently purified, then these systems of [nondual] thinking tend to become an attachment and therefore a trap, and this is what has to be understood at the *right* moment in time. for there and then it needs to be released, because otherwise the mind will continously focus on the methodology rather than the essence of what it is attempting to "experientially" impart. and this is where the metaphor of the finger pointing to the moon comes in, where the finger itself is not the real but that which it is pointing to [i.e. the moon]. regarding teachings and gurus, it's important to bear in mind that virtually *any* path is appropriate regarding the the unique temperament of the individual in question. where, for example, j krishnamurthi's idea that really no-one needs a guru outside one's own Self within the Heart, needs to be respected and understood for such individuals. this is also true of someone like u.g. krishnamurthi's very radical approach [being appropriate for certain other personality types]. and this can be said about virtually any teacher and teaching method. from osho to sai baba, to nisargadatta, poonjaji, gangaji, ramesh. (all of these were/are, in my view, very effective teachers. and they all in fact are a product of the lineage of bhagavan ramana, with the exception of osho and sai baba [who both enthusiastically acknowledged sri ramana as well]. however, the important thing is that we should withhold judgment of others, the path they [evidently *must*] follow, as well as their teachers. in light of this, for example, although it never suited my personality type, i would never claim that the traditional approach isn't appropriate... there are many who can truly benefit from it. on the other hand, the unorthodox approach can also be just as right for others. so to have judgments re the 'right' approach that [presumably everyone] should adopt, is really delimiting and erroneous. judgments of others, and even *more* significantly, judgments of oneself, cause unfathomable bondage to the one harboring the judgment. that aspect of the axiom, 'mind is the slayer of the real' especially has to do with this matter--not re discrimination or even ideological criticism--but the reckless habit of judgment. all is brahman's leela, perfect in its relative perfection/imperfection. realize this and release the myriad egoic shards of contraction. in fact....don't realize this at all! what is there to realize? Self-realization can neither be created nor destroyed. tattvamasi!....[automatically]... // Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2000 Report Share Posted March 29, 2000 Hi Harsha: It is interesting that when one is exposed to truth there is nothing to say except perhaps yep....makes good sense to me :-) BTW, a long time ago you recommended "Be As You Are' and I finally got a copy of the book. This book is proving to be a 'threshold' and offers me peaceful entry in the midst of a rather hectic time. Thank you for sharing as you do. Namaste, Linda >"Harsha" <harsha-hkl >Passing on Sri Frank-Ji's wisdom. >Frankji is one of the most remarkable >exponents of nonduality of our times. >Love to all Harsha hariH OM! namaste vedic sruti states "all this, verily, is brahman." therefore, we can make no mistake that the world that we see, experienced through the six indriyas (senses) is in fact real; however, as we also know, there is an unreal component within it, and this is where we have to apply viveka, to discriminate and find out those aspects that are unreal. and such [unreal] components lie *exclusively* within one's perception. therefore, it's how we SEE the world that creates or not such unreal aspects. we have to bear in mind that *all* nondual philosophies are applicable only to a point---their purpose basically being to simplify the relative mind and its thought process [enabling one to thus eventually become an apt receiving mechanism for the ineffable Absolute]. however, once [this certain point] is reached where the mind is sufficiently purified, then these systems of [nondual] thinking tend to become an attachment and therefore a trap, and this is what has to be understood at the *right* moment in time. for there and then it needs to be released, because otherwise the mind will continously focus on the methodology rather than the essence of what it is attempting to "experientially" impart. and this is where the metaphor of the finger pointing to the moon comes in, where the finger itself is not the real but that which it is pointing to [i.e. the moon]. regarding teachings and gurus, it's important to bear in mind that virtually *any* path is appropriate regarding the the unique temperament of the individual in question. where, for example, j krishnamurthi's idea that really no-one needs a guru outside one's own Self within the Heart, needs to be respected and understood for such individuals. this is also true of someone like u.g. krishnamurthi's very radical approach [being appropriate for certain other personality types]. and this can be said about virtually any teacher and teaching method. from osho to sai baba, to nisargadatta, poonjaji, gangaji, ramesh. (all of these were/are, in my view, very effective teachers. and they all in fact are a product of the lineage of bhagavan ramana, with the exception of osho and sai baba [who both enthusiastically acknowledged sri ramana as well]. however, the important thing is that we should withhold judgment of others, the path they [evidently *must*] follow, as well as their teachers. in light of this, for example, although it never suited my personality type, i would never claim that the traditional approach isn't appropriate... there are many who can truly benefit from it. on the other hand, the unorthodox approach can also be just as right for others. so to have judgments re the 'right' approach that [presumably everyone] should adopt, is really delimiting and erroneous. judgments of others, and even *more* significantly, judgments of oneself, cause unfathomable bondage to the one harboring the judgment. that aspect of the axiom, 'mind is the slayer of the real' especially has to do with this matter--not re discrimination or even ideological criticism--but the reckless habit of judgment. all is brahman's leela, perfect in its relative perfection/imperfection. realize this and release the myriad egoic shards of contraction. in fact....don't realize this at all! what is there to realize? Self-realization can neither be created nor destroyed. tattvamasi!....[automatically]... // // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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