K. psychosis

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Hi all,

 

Geez, this is from a long time ago, this is

just me trying to catch up with some posts

I really wished to comment on.

Please bear with me ppl, I just managed to break out of the crypt.

And it's 6.30 in the am.

 

Thank you Dharma for sharing the chapter and

examples of Kundalini psychosis from

Lee Sannella with us.

I have heard a lot about his book, but never

had a chance to read it, as it is an old one

and out of print.

 

Yes, to me it is clear that the Kundalini

experience is equivalent with what psychiatry

terms psychosis and vice versa, psychosis is

not the same as a Kundalini experience.

It is interesting seeing a psychiatrist

wishing to define the differences in accordance

with his profession.

 

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 01:01:17 Dharma wrote:

>In his chapter of case histories, he outlines her history and Kundalini

>symptoms, which were pronounced but not particularly unusual... many

>people have such symptoms.

 

I suppose we have all seen it by ourselves.

>>Thus she yielded to the tendency that Jung (1975) had warned against: that

>>of claiming this impersonal force as her own ego creation and, as a

>>result, of falling into the trap of ego inflation and false superiority.

>>She expected others to understand exactly what she was speaking about and

>>to accept her word unquestioningly, and she grew distrustful of anyone who

>>disagreed with her interpretations.

 

I have

often wondered why the nondual perspective is

virtually unknown among Christianity, and

that in this tradition, even the old forms of

mysticism are also very much unknown.

I have yet to see or read a

theological discusssion

of anything approaching a non dual perspective.

 

I have a hunch that the idea of performing

a mystical transsubstantiation and "become"

god sounds too much akin to "becoming like a god" in the ears of Christians and

hence

non dual and mystical teachings are discouraged.

 

As Frank touched upon in his recent post,

having an inner teacher does not suit

everybody's temperament and mentality,

and the same can very well be said for

having a non dual perspective.

>Jung explained that when a person who has always conceived of God as

>something completely other and separate from himself comes to the

>realization, by one means or another, that God/the divine is not something

>separate from us, that the divine is within us, he then faces the

>internalization of the divine... and there's a danger in that.

 

Yes, this feeling of internalization or feeling

of imminent internalization can be quite frightening if there is an

interpretation as an "other". The ego = self will scramble at any

and all parts of the personality that feels

as real, turning away from the threatening

obliteration and seek to amplify the parts of

the self that still feel real. Major denial,

one can say.

>When a person engages in meditation or other spiritual practices and the

>Kundalini begins to rise, if it is not raised to the higher centers, then

>there's going to be a LOT of energy stimulating the lower centers.

 

Perhaps this fear effect is not always due to

strong influences of the lower chakras or due to

poorly functioning higher chakras.

Perhaps it also can be caused by a lack of

training and contemplation of the mind,

which is usually done in meditation.

Well, I guess, ppl with meditation experience

have also become victims of such psychosis.

Just thinking out loud here.

> But even emphasis

>on heart chakra, if the person doesn't go beyond ego identification, can

>lead to an extreme emphasis on the mental... on the intellectual thinking

>mind... in often undesirable ways.

 

Isn't the heart chakra also associated with

emotions ? I've never heard that it was

strongly associated with thinking before.

>Needless to say,

>any already existing personality problems are >likely to be aggravated.

 

This has been mentioned on the list previously.

I get a hunch the process in some individuals

works to strengthen the ego, increase the

self worth and the self confidence.

But at one point, there must be an increased

letting go, the thousand facets of the

personality must be seen as

essentially illusory. I suppose the process

overshoots the mark in many instances in this

betterment of the ego.

>they should do. He may

>think he's God's messenger to the world... or a new divine incarnation...

>Hard to say when this becomes psychosis...

 

Yes, it is.

>there's a fine line between

>neurosis and psychosis. And it doesn't have to be either/or...

 

No, there is also the borderline personality,

that contains some aspects of either.

I think the therapists and psychologists can

say more about this than I.

At any rate, the borderline personality does

carry reminders of the personality in an

overshooting Kundalini process,

emotionally very unstable, a demanding self

confident personality one moment, victimized

attention hungry personality the next,

often combined with a tendency to manipulate

with emotions.

>Finally she accused me of not having faith in her. She said,

>"Everyone else believes, why can't you believe?"

>

>I

>thought I was going to give you the details, but now I feel that it

>wouldn't serve any purpose...

 

I'm very sorry to hear about your friend.

I don't think you should feel guilty for not

being able to do more, when not even the

doctors in the beginning

managed to discern whether this was

a psychosis or not.

>I'll close with something I learned a long time ago. I went to a

>psychiatrist once to find out if I was crazy... and he asked to see my

>husband also. )

 

)

> I found out that people who are worried about being

>crazy probably aren't... it usually means they're changing and growing...

>and change can be scary. The people who are really psychotic probably

>don't know it.

 

I for one hope so.

 

I also wish I could devulge more experienced

views to this complex matter than simply my

personal thoughts.

 

 

But at any rate,

thank you very much again for sharing.

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

 

 

 

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