Not really simplistic, re K

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Namast All, Jerry,

 

No offence my remarks sometimes appear simplistic, but

really they are not, although I do say much to cause a

debate, I will admit to that!

 

Jerry wrote:->l think it may also be true that in

many

cases k doesn't require what appears to be the

cleansing action of

prana and

manifests in a more trouble-free way, but exactly why

this occurs is by

no

means clear. l for one have not eaten meat, drunk

alcohol, had sex,

kept bad

company, etc and l submit that my thoughts are no more

impure than most

k

people l've come across --- yet, l've had a 7-1/2 yr

struggle with k

that

continues. l don't know why this is so, and l don't

believe that you

or

other so called "experts" do either. There are many

imponderable

factors that

could be involved that are simply unknown.<

 

Tony ans:I am only an expert in avidya thats all!!

The reason why 'clean', people still experience the

prana is that they still have samskaras from previous

lifetimes thats all. You may be a saint in this life

but the samskaras from an egotistical life may still

exist.

 

I still stick to my idea that K doesn't rise, prana

does, the K manifests at the chakras/vortices

appropriate to that particular persons conscious

development, intermittantly sometimes then

permanently.

 

My own experience with K is that I am conscious of it

and I feel the energy throughout, but it is smooth.

However I do go through some mental turmoils, which I

believe are prana activity at that level of mind.

 

My K manifested dramatically, at my Heart Chakra,

thats where I seemed to commence.

 

Perhaps the spiritual experiences I had as a child

where mild because I was always spiritual and had

spiritual practices as a child. Then I went off the

rails for a while. Each is different and it is all

within illusion anyway.

 

Love and Om Namah Sivaya, Tony.

 

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In a message dated 4/3/00 10:17:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

aoclery writes:

 

<< Namast All, Jerry,

 

No offence my remarks sometimes appear simplistic, but

really they are not, although I do say much to cause a

debate, I will admit to that! >>

 

Dear Tony,

Glad you took no offense from my remarks. l guess that beyond sounding

simplistic, the main thing that strikes me about your comments is the ring of

absolute certainty. Given that l've seen so much contradiction among reputed

authorities about certain aspects of k and that so much of this is

non-verifiable, l just don't see how you can feel so confident of the truth

of your observations. Many things about the k phenomenon are pretty clear,

but you often appear so certain about concepts that are not. Of course,

you're entitled to your opinions, and there's nothing wrong with stimulating

debate.

 

regards,

jerry