Guest guest Posted April 8, 2000 Report Share Posted April 8, 2000 Harsha writes: >I am resending this post due to previous formatting problems. This >information is important and might be very useful for some people. Please >share. El has done some very fine work in exploring the area of mental >and physical health and the Kundalini phenomena. She can be contacted at the >address given below. I thank you for sending this, Harsha. The first time you sent it I decided to just let it go, but since you sent it again, I think I will briefly comment. I have not yet read the book mentioned ("Prozac Backlash" by Joseph Glenmullen, M.D.) Not suprisingly, many of the concepts mentioned in El's post go against standard academic teachings. Additionally, much of what was written goes against my clinical experience in prescribing these medications (e.g., the addictiveness of antidepressants and the difficulty of getting off of Wellbutrin). However, although I have not seen these phenomena clinically, if there are valid scientific data supporting these claims then they do certainly have importance. My interest piqued (and feeling not a little bit defensive about my field), I will try to find the book. In the meantime, I really don't have the time nor the inclination at this time to debate the relative merits of psychiatric medications (sick children, wife had surgery, and I'm on call this weekend). Not that anyone has asked to debate, but I've been around cyberspace long enough to realize that this is an issue about which many people feel strongly. :--) Be peaceful- Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2000 Report Share Posted April 8, 2000 I am resending this post due to previous formatting problems. This information is important and might be very useful for some people. Please share. El has done some very fine work in exploring the area of mental and physical health and the Kundalini phenomena. She can be contacted at the address given below. Harsha Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:26:16 EDT ckress Antidepressant expose' I've just finished reading "Prozac Backlash" by Joseph Glenmullen, M.D. -- an expose' of the booming antidepressant industry which currently is raking in more than $4 billion a year from the American sales of Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil alone. The book focuses on these and other SSRI drugs (Luvox, Celexa) as well as Wellbutrin, Effexor, Serzone and Remeron. There is no current way of measuring serotonin levels in the brain, and even if there were, the prevailing concept of a brain "chemical imbalance" which is supposed to be corrected by SSRI or other drugs is pure speculation which has never been scientifically proven. The author compares it to saying that someone whose headache has been relieved by aspirin has an aspirin deficiency. He says, "The truth of the matter is: No one has anything but the vaguest idea of the chemical effects of these drugs on the living human brain." The pharmaceutical industry is engaging in every bit as much a profit-driven, damn-the-health-consequences cover-up as the tobacco companies. They use their political clout and $$$ to suppress research results and censor mainstream media coverage of the facts so even most doctors are in the dark about the real nature of the drugs they are prescribing by the ton. At the turn of century, Glenmullen says that medicine promoted then-legal cocaine elixirs for everything from depression to shyness. These were followed by prescription amphetamines, barbiturates, narcotics and tranquilizers, "all hailed as miracle cures" in their day until their dangerous side effects became widely evident. Each of these drugs was initially "aggressively marketed with claims that they are revolutionary breakthroughs, remarkable scientific advances over their predecessors." Modern drug advocates and pharmaceutical companies insist that SSRIs are non-addictive -- the same thing which was said about cocaine and amphetamines when they were prescription antidepressants. Cocaine resembles the Prozac group in that it is primarily a reuptake inhibitor. According to the author, cocaine, amphetamines, diet pills (like Redux), the illegal drug Ecstasy, and the SSRI's and other antidepressant group are all related because they target brain cells and boost the levels of neurotransmitters. Redux, which was taken off the market after numerous deaths, is closely related to Prozac and the other SSRI's: they all elevate serotonin. Redux was promoted as a weight loss drug, since high brain levels of serotonin are known to reduce appetite. (This same effect has been found in all the SSRI antidepressants, although long term use strangely has the opposite effect of causing weight gain!) Glenmullen says "the term 'antidepressant' is virtually meaningless and seriously misleading." These drugs are nothing more than prescription stimulants. By current protocols used by drug manufacturers, the author says that almost any stimulating drug would pass as an antidepressant, including caffeine pills and nicotine. Patients who are former amphetamine or cocaine addicts have reported that the effects of their SSRI antidepressant medication feels like "mild versions" of street drugs. (In fact, the most popular illegal use of these prescription drugs is snorting or intravenously shooting up powdered quantities of Prozac or Wellbutrin.) The author quotes another doctor/author, Lester Grinspoon, whose 1975 book "The Speed Culture" seems prophetic. Wrote Grinspoon, "Drug companies will probably continue to produce increasingly sophisticated and disguised amphetamines, and these 'new' drugs undoubtedly will be greeted with initial enthusiasm by the medical establishment until it is recognized that any drug with amphetamine-like central nervous system stimulating properties almost invariably is just as toxic, potentially addictive, and therapeutically limited as Benzedrine or Dexedrine. Only the medical jargon describing the alleged 'diseases' has become more sophisticated." The required FDA clinical tests for antidepressants can be as short as 4 weeks, although typically the studies last 6-8 weeks... yet many drug side effects do not show up until much longer, especially for drugs used continuously for months or years! Once a drug has been FDA approved, only about 1% of serious side effects are ever reported and even then, the FDA only has a staff of 5 doctors and 1 epidemiologist to review the more than 3,000 drugs already on the market. The author says that in addition to common SSRI side effects such as feeling nervous, jittery, having trouble sleeping, mental fuzziness, memory loss, etc., there are potentially serious long term effects. These include extreme withdrawal syndromes (which effect up to 50% of patients); sexual dysfunction (effecting 60% of patients); neurological disorders and brain damage; and suicidal and violent behavior reactions. There has been concern that the emotional blunting and apathy reported by some patients on SSRIs may be the result of damage to their frontal lobes - a chemical lobotomy. Neuroleptic drugs which have a similar effect on brain chemistry have long been suspected of causing cognitive deficits and impairment of intellectual functioning. Studies of monkey brains after 4 days of exposure to Redux showed widespread destruction of the branches of serotonin cells. There is a concern that SSRI type drugs may increase the incidence of neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's. Cocaine and amphetamines boost all three of the brain's "feel good" neurotransmitters: serotonin, adrenaline and dopamine. (Nicotine also increases dopamine brain levels.) SSRI's only increase the serotonin. But raising brain levels of serotonin DECREASES dopamine levels. Many of the adverse effects of the SSRIs are direct results of the drop in dopamine. The most serious of these are similar to Parkinson's disease, which is also a result of brain dopamine deficiencies. The same kind of drug induced neurotoxic effects has been long known with the major antipsychotic drugs as "tardive dyskinesia." The patient develops tics, muscle spasms, and abnormal, repetitive movements of the mouth, tongue, jaw and sometimes jerking movements of the limbs. These "tics" can lead to swinging or flailing of the arms, twisting or writhing of the hands, and other uncontrollable bodily movements. This can be a seriously disabling condition and may become worse after medication is discontinued. In about half the cases, the tics and strange movements slowly disappear after stopping the drugs; in the rest, the damage is permanent. In severe cases, there is loss of motor control as well as agitation and muscle spasms. (For those with active Kundalini, the tardive dsykinesia symptoms of brain damage can resemble kriyas which occur during meditation or during sleep. According to Glenmullen, td symptoms usually disappear during sleep -- the opposite of kriyas. And Peter Breggin says that td is worse when the patient tries to perform physical tasks, while kriyas usually do not cause interference with normal activities, like trying to walk or pick up objects.) Some of the well known withdrawal symptoms from nicotine are the result of a sudden plummet in dopamine: extreme irritation, rage attacks, anxiety, feeling generally spastic, memory lapses and mental fuzziness, etc. These are also known side effects of SSRIs. Wellbutrin (also known as Zyban) is one of the few antidepressants which help smokers quit because it isn't a SSRI; instead, it raises brain levels of dopamine. Dopamine is a mental and sexual stimulant. Historically, drugs that raise dopamine tend to be more stimulating and more addicting than drugs than only raise adrenaline or serotonin. Ritalin falls into this category (given to children!). While all the antidepressants are known to have withdrawal effects, Wellbutrin has proven to be one of the most difficult from which to wean patients! Glenmullen backs up his information in the "Notes" section at the end of his book: 35 pages of references to research published in scientific and medical journals. If anyone is interested in more info on this subject, I recommend Peter Breggin's book, "Toxic Psychiatry." There is additional info in an article about the dangers of these kinds of medications in Shared Transformation (back issue #9) which is still available on our site at http://members.aol.com/ckress/newslet.html El // Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2000 Report Share Posted April 8, 2000 Hi Mike: I would like to add my '2 cents' worth to this. In a perfect world all would take herbs, eat properly, do lots of yoga and balance out what needs to be balanced in a natural manner. However, this is not the case and as with many things one needs to look at many factors before coming to a conclusion that antidepressants are inherently wrong. I tried for years to get my daughter to take herbs (she would have had to take approximately 20 pills a day), do some yoga, get some therapy and eat properly. She had neither the commitment or patience to take that route. As a result her life was going from bad to worse until she at last would go for medical help. She is on serazon now and has stablized quite a bit. Her blood levels are watched carefully and she does 'talk' therapy along with the meds. I have wondered if she will be on this medication for life just as I wonder if she is abdicating all responsibility for health to a pill....a possible negative side. On the positive side she functions now...is taking responsibility for being a mother and much more rationale that she has ever been before. She has a future which she most likely did not have before taking the 'meds'. Up until she went on the medication she had totalled two cars, been raped, was involved with drugs and left her child to be taken care of by others, she was always angry and wound up homeless for a while. I have a son who was raised in the same way who has had none of these problems. My daughter was always different, always had a tendency to simply lose it. My ex-husband's family has a history of some insanity and I believe that there is something biological that was passed on to my daughter. With the whole picture in mind I am glad that these medications were available. At least she will have the option to gain the maturity to approach another route to the situation.....a maturity that I am convinced she would not have reached without the intervention of antidepressants. I have not been to a doctor in years and am generally more suspicious than not towards the AMA, FDA etc. but also know that if I were to have a heart attack I would prefer to see the inside of an emergency room to a bottle of herbs. Yes there will be abuse and mis-use of these drugs but there is abuse and mis-use of many things. To negate the entire field is as foolish as embracing the medical profession as perfect. I have seen too much yoga weird people out to the point where they are as off-balance as someone who considers brandy in coffee as a healthy breakfast. In the end it comes down to discrimination there are no fast rules that are right for everyone. Linda Sure there are going to be instances when these medications are over-prescribed ----- >I thank you for sending this, Harsha. >The first time you sent it I decided >to >just let it go, but since you sent it >again, I think I will briefly comment. >I have not yet read the book mentioned >("Prozac Backlash" by Joseph >Glenmullen, M.D.) Not suprisingly, many >of the concepts mentioned in El's >post go against standard academic >teachings. Additionally, much of what >was written goes against my clinical >experience in prescribing these .>medications (e.g., the addictiveness of >antidepressants and the difficulty >of getting off of Wellbutrin). >However, although I have not seen these >phenomena clinically, if there >are valid scientific data supporting >these claims then they do certainly >have importance. My interest piqued (and >feeling not a little bit defensive >about my field), I will try to find the >book. In the meantime, I really >don't >have the time nor the inclination at this >time to debate the relative merits >of psychiatric medications (sick >children, wife had surgery, and I'm on >call >this weekend). Not that anyone has asked >to debate, but I've been around >cyberspace long enough to realize that >this is an issue about which many >people feel strongly. :--) >Be peaceful- >Mike // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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