Guest guest Posted April 13, 2000 Report Share Posted April 13, 2000 Tony O'Clery <aoclery > It is not negative to wish for an end to lives, and > for moksha or liberation. Tony defends this Hindu tradition of wishing for an end to some imagined repetitive cycle of birth & rebirth. Reality can only be discovered in the present. Speculation about a repetitive cycle of birth & death takes one out of the present into the imaginative future, doesn't it Tony? Anything the brain can think regarding reincarnation is a lie. IT'S A LIE, IT'S A LIE, The brain is still going to DIE. rot, Rot, ROT! Liberation has nothing todo with imaginative speculation. Speculation is mental masturbation, be still and discover what you really are. > ... > You seem to > have a chip on your shoulder about Christianity or > Jesus?? Ignore the Churches and read Jesus, try the > Gospel of Thomas from the Nag Hammadi texts. Intolerance breeds violence. Intolerance contributed to the Columbine massacre in my community and intolerance is taught in my community by fundementalist Christians. If you deny my right to point out what I see as truth, then when shooting breaks out again in some school, we'll use you as a human shield. At least then you'll be of some practical use. This is the lesson from Terezin: nip intolerance in the bud or pay a higher price later. > A sage is > a sage is a sage, the sage and 'God', are one and the > same! God is Consciousness, a Sage is flesh. > What is death ? > If death is leaving the body ,retreating through the > Koshas and resting close to the Causal ,then we do > that everytime we are in deep sleep,or a coma or > whatever,it is sushupti. Even when we die ,we keep a > connection with the body and then the other sheaths > ,progressively for some time ,before breaking the > final links with them,(excepting the vijnanamayakosha > and anandamayakosha of course,we need them for > rebirth). Tony, you delight in useless imaginative speculation. No doubt your mind will entertain itself through this excitement of endless projection right up till the instant your brain dies. The stupid mind has to be still before the truth beyond death can be known. > So whether Jesus died or not depends on your > understanding of that term. The Truth is that Jesus > according to many sage's opinions was a Jivanmukta or > whatever term one wishes to use for this state. > He,namely the Liberated Jesus energised the 'dead' > body of Jesus in order to continue what work was > required. It is said that Jesus realised he was Christ > when he was in his mid twenties or earlier, that is > when Jesus the man/ego died, not in his thirties on > the cross. Jivanmukta, Koshas, anandamayakosha, vijnanamayakosha, sushupti.... Tony, have you ever considered renouncing all this esoteric hindu terminology? Have you ever considered speaking only about your direct experience? How are you going to find the real in your experience when you constantly speak about your imagination? Imagination is false projection. You don't see the difference do you? > It saves time otherwise one has to grow up another > body. Yogis in India have used a technique to enter > relatively good bodies, of people who have recently > died, to do their work. There are reports in India of > yogis entering bodies ready for cremation and taking > off. hahahah! Perhaps someone else will find a greater use for your body than you give it now. > So death is a relative term ,what dies? who dies? > Find out who you really are and become that and "death > ",will be seen as only an illusion. That seems to be > the common teaching of all the Sages. > > Om Namah Sivaya, Tony. Tony's common illusion is to speak and then attribute his egoic thoughts to nameless Sages. Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2000 Report Share Posted April 14, 2000 Dear Brother Tony, > ---------- > Tony O'Clery[sMTP:aoclery] > Friday, April 14, 2000 12:44 AM > > Jesus's 'Death', etc > > Namaste All, Roger, > > It is not negative to wish for an end to lives, and > for moksha or liberation. Death is essentially > separation from our desires, that's all. You seem to > have a chip on your shoulder about Christianity or > Jesus?? Ignore the Churches and read Jesus, try the > Gospel of Thomas from the Nag Hammadi texts.A sage is > a sage is a sage, the sage and 'God', are one and the > same! > Is that a good chip? :-) > What is death ? > I don't even know mySelf, i really don't know what death is. > If death is leaving the body ,retreating through the > Koshas and resting close to the Causal ,then we do > that everytime we are in deep sleep,or a coma or > whatever,it is sushupti. Even when we die ,we keep a > connection with the body and then the other sheaths > ,progressively for some time ,before breaking the > final links with them,(excepting the vijnanamayakosha > and anandamayakosha of course,we need them for > rebirth). > Ohhh i see.... you are the truth. :-) > So whether Jesus died or not depends on your > understanding of that term. The Truth is that Jesus > according to many sage's opinions was a Jivanmukta or > whatever term one wishes to use for this state. > He,namely the Liberated Jesus energised the 'dead' > body of Jesus in order to continue what work was > required. It is said that Jesus realised he was Christ > when he was in his mid twenties or earlier, that is > when Jesus the man/ego died, not in his thirties on > the cross. > Got it, everything are dependence. > It saves time otherwise one has to grow up another > body. Yogis in India have used a technique to enter > relatively good bodies, of people who have recently > died, to do their work. There are reports in India of > yogis entering bodies ready for cremation and taking > off. hahahah! > wow, they saved their life :-) > So death is a relative term ,what dies? who dies? > Find out who you really are and become that and "death > ",will be seen as only an illusion. That seems to be > the common teaching of all the Sages. > hmm i don't know who i am yet, but i know you are a Great Sage. I bow to you... Love, Nasir GATE GATE PARAGATE PARASAMGATE BODHISVAHA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2000 Report Share Posted April 14, 2000 Dear Brother Roger and Tony, > ---------- > Roger Isaacs[sMTP:RIsaacs] > Friday, April 14, 2000 3:05 AM > ; NondualitySalon > Jesus's 'Death', etc > > Tony O'Clery <aoclery > > It is not negative to wish for an end to lives, and > > for moksha or liberation. > > Tony defends this Hindu tradition of wishing for an end to some imagined > repetitive cycle of birth & rebirth. > > Reality can only be discovered in the present. Speculation about a > repetitive cycle of birth & death takes one out of the present into the > imaginative future, doesn't it Tony? > Only in the present? ohhh my God, i won't be able to discover Reality, i never live in the present, time so fast that made there's only past and future in my life. God pls give me chances to discover Reality in my imagination. > Anything the brain can think regarding reincarnation is a lie. > God damn brain...you're a liar. > IT'S A LIE, > IT'S A LIE, > The brain is still going to DIE. > rot, Rot, ROT! > hmmm brain deserve to die.... btw, i love the song :-) > Liberation has nothing todo with imaginative speculation. Speculation is > mental masturbation, be still and discover what you really are. > should i have the orgasm now? > > ... > > You seem to > > have a chip on your shoulder about Christianity or > > Jesus?? Ignore the Churches and read Jesus, try the > > Gospel of Thomas from the Nag Hammadi texts. > > Intolerance breeds violence. Intolerance contributed to the Columbine > massacre in my community and intolerance is taught in my community by > fundementalist Christians. If you deny my right to point out what I see as > truth, then when shooting breaks out again in some school, we'll use you > as > a human shield. At least then you'll be of some practical use. > that's a great position :-) let me be it... > This is the lesson from Terezin: nip intolerance in the bud or pay a > higher > price later. > no discount, right? > > A sage is > > a sage is a sage, the sage and 'God', are one and the > > same! > > God is Consciousness, a Sage is flesh. > who am i? > > What is death ? > > If death is leaving the body ,retreating through the > > Koshas and resting close to the Causal ,then we do > > that everytime we are in deep sleep,or a coma or > > whatever,it is sushupti. Even when we die ,we keep a > > connection with the body and then the other sheaths > > ,progressively for some time ,before breaking the > > final links with them,(excepting the vijnanamayakosha > > and anandamayakosha of course,we need them for > > rebirth). > > Tony, you delight in useless imaginative speculation. No doubt your mind > will entertain itself through this excitement of endless projection right > up > till the instant your brain dies. The stupid mind has to be still before > the > truth beyond death can be known. > What about smart one? > > So whether Jesus died or not depends on your > > understanding of that term. The Truth is that Jesus > > according to many sage's opinions was a Jivanmukta or > > whatever term one wishes to use for this state. > > He,namely the Liberated Jesus energised the 'dead' > > body of Jesus in order to continue what work was > > required. It is said that Jesus realised he was Christ > > when he was in his mid twenties or earlier, that is > > when Jesus the man/ego died, not in his thirties on > > the cross. > > Jivanmukta, Koshas, anandamayakosha, vijnanamayakosha, sushupti.... > Tony, have you ever considered renouncing all this esoteric hindu > terminology? Have you ever considered speaking only about your direct > experience? How are you going to find the real in your experience when you > constantly speak about your imagination? Imagination is false projection. > You don't see the difference do you? > there is no difference in nonduality... :-) > > It saves time otherwise one has to grow up another > > body. Yogis in India have used a technique to enter > > relatively good bodies, of people who have recently > > died, to do their work. There are reports in India of > > yogis entering bodies ready for cremation and taking > > off. hahahah! > > Perhaps someone else will find a greater use for your body than you give > it > now. > If you will give it Tony, don't forget to take a bath first :-) > > So death is a relative term ,what dies? who dies? > > Find out who you really are and become that and "death > > ",will be seen as only an illusion. That seems to be > > the common teaching of all the Sages. > > > > Om Namah Sivaya, Tony. > > Tony's common illusion is to speak and then attribute his egoic thoughts > to > nameless Sages. > Amitabhaaa... Nasir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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