Ramana

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LBIDD wrote:

> The Master remarked later: All right. It will work.

> from "Talks With Ramana Maharshi"

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> It seems to me that Ramana isn't particularly pointing to conscoiusness

> or even subjectivity here as an answer, nor a way to disidentify with or

> slow down the flow of thoughts. Rather I think he is advising a sort of

> active meditation on the sense or feeling of "I". When I say "I" I mean

> something by that, although I couldn't exactly say what. I don't really

> mean consciousness or a kind of abstract subjectivity. I think the idea

> is to let oneself be pulled into the enquiry into what we mean by "I".

> Any comments? Can someone put this in better words?

>

> Larry

>

 

Yes, you are right Larry. "Talks with Ramana" is truly a unique book. One who

has a close connection with this

approach and Ramana can sense and feel the atmosphere around Ramana and absorb

it by just reading the book. Ramana

Maharshi's sense of Being and Presence was His way of initiating. His Silence,

for those who can feel it, is truly

overwhelming. The Sage of Arunachala's method is simplicity itself. However, not

everyone can be satisfied with

this, as it is the direct route and the usual milestones of certain paths are

absent.

 

Ramana Maharshi always suggests that one feel the sense of "I". This sense of

"I" is the tip of the iceberg. It is

the "Sat" or "Existence" aspect of the Self/Being manifesting through the

conditioned mind. In an agitated mind it

veils, and in an aware and calm mind, it hints at the Self Present Beauty of the

Heart that is the Eternal Self.

It is this feeling/awareness of "I AM" that meditates through the mind.

 

Sages have said many times that the spiritual practice is not meant to give

anything new or add anything to us. It

is needed to remove the barrier to Seeing What Is - That which You Truly Are.

Spiritual practice means making

"effort" to remove the fog so the Sight is Clear. Who can make the effort? Only

one who is ready. When through

suffering Karmas have thinned out and weakened, the Soul Longing to Know or

Recognize or Realize It Self asserts

itself through the conditioned mind. It emerges as the feeling/knowing sense of

I AM. This sense of pure self

existence, not tainted by concepts, should be followed to see where it leads. It

is a natural process. Blessings of

the Sages, following the spiritual path with sincerity is bound to lead to the

Natural Self-Knowledge.

 

Harsha

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At 06:09 PM 4/15/2000 -0400, you wrote:

>[snip]... the Soul Longing to Know or Recognize or Realize It Self asserts

>itself through the conditioned mind.

 

Nice reply, Harsha.

 

I think that this is one of the funniest jokes. Creating something which

fervently BELIEVES that it is not the Self and then through that creation,

making effort to overcome that belief.

 

In an instant the Soul is created. Then it takes forever and a day for the

Soul to realize It's Self, only to find out that nothing has changed. On a

good day, go to the mall and just watch all the people struggling against

themselves. If that effort could be harnessed I could leave the lights on

_all_ the time! :-)

 

Of course, I would need to feel around in the dark for the switch first...

 

Paul