Roger/Annie/morality & ethics

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Have a few minutes to write and read on the pc. Did not forget your

request about the "Charcoal Body" Christiana, as you may know...

 

Annie:

> > The above feels very right for some reason. If one is in the

> > moment then there is no violence happening?

 

Yes, there may be for those left not in the moment

 

Roger:

> If we claim to be above the law (moral or legal law), how would we

know if this attitude is premature?

 

First one would have to claim,

 

Antoine

 

, "Roger Isaacs" <RIsaacs@c...>

wrote:

> > G'day Antoine/Roger,

> >

> > Antoine;

> > " Yet asking oneself what one should not or should do, or have

> > or have not done, or what consequence it will or will not have,

> > is to my presence a very strange question in itself. IMHO,

> > this very form of question or questioning of one in action,

> > instead of simply being present to the Presence of the moment,

> > is one of the major cause of the act of violence in itself."

> >

> > Annie:

> > The above feels very right for some reason. If one is in the

> > moment then there is no violence happening?

> >

> > When judgement that violence has occurred happens, then this

> > judgement in itself "creates" the appearance of violence? We

'construct'

> our

> > own world with our judgements? Better to live

> > in the moment without judgement to just see/be what is here?

> >

> > Is this what you were saying, Antoine?

> >

> > Its coming together as it does (or falling apart

> > Thanks to everyone, 'specially Dan.

> > Love

> > Annie

>

> If there is the appearance of a "me" to ask about the consequences

of an

> action, then asking is appropriate. If there is a "doer" that claims

> ownership of volition, then consideration of moral & guidelines is

> appropriate.

>

> Antoine offers "being present to the Presence of the moment" as

superior to

> considering the consequences of an action. I agree, IF AND ONLY IF

one can

> actually be present.

>

> If one's mind continuously moves outward into thought, emotion, and

the

> excitement of identification with desire... then this excitement of

> identification actually PREVENTS being present. And in this case

moral &

> ethical consideration are useful.

>

> I appreciate Antoine's comments but they refer to a high stage on

the

> spiritual quest. His comments aren't a universal antidote.

>

> Where specifically is the boundary where moral & ethical

consideration can

> be

> dropped? And what might the results be if a "doer" drops moral &

ethical

> consideration before it's appropriate?

>

> Can we all simply disregard the moral & ethical prescriptions of

religion &

> yoga? The Bible's commandments & Patanjali's yamas & niyamas were

simply a

> mistake?

>

> If we claim to be above the law (moral or legal law), how would we

know if

> this attitude is premature?

>

> Roger