Guest guest Posted April 28, 2000 Report Share Posted April 28, 2000 Hey friends! I want to share how wonderful it is to read you two (Mark & Robert) like this ... Real human stuff we all deal with. And with such love in your hearts. Robert Weil wrote: > >Mark > >P.S. From either this list, or its near neighbor, the NonDuality Salon, > >this seems relevant here: > > > > It seems embodiment is about now not witnessing, but actually diving > >into Oneness of > >what Is. Absorption. In this way whatever personality issues remain for > >healing are able to Be > >healed from conscious unconditional awareness, as they are not witnessed > >but lived FELT rawly :-) So > >you can face them fully & transmute them. Thanks, Mark. I wrote that.. For while witnessing was my salvation. Now the tables have been turned & I feel reversed :-) Sounds funny doesn't it? Mark I want to tell you I d from NDS to focus here. I share this because I notice you wrote to me there, just before I left today. I think as children we repressed how we felt to survive. Have you ever heard the saying that it is what you haven't allowed yourself to feel, that will kill you? My dear mother was a 20 year meditator, BUT she never embraced psyche work. She kept hiding from her wound. She died of cancer. Now I know her generation was bound, & taught not to feel, & be polite & fit in. My brother & I learnt meditation from her lead. Now we are breaking the cycle carried on down our line. We are deep in our psyches from the illuminating torch our Essence has shone on our dark hidden alleyways. Meditation will take you in deep, & even past it all. But to come back & See with clarity, I believe the shadows must be also be loved back into the light. Yes we love our children (our emotions) through letting them speak to us. (We dare to feel the core wound). I do. Do I have a choice? :-))) > Funny, as it happens, I was reading that post yesterday, and that struck > home! As did the debate between Greg and Colette re: whether someone who > has not yet experienced the Self can discover Self through therapy. I feel > that it is possible (as all things can be), but it will happen (as Col > says) by an agency that transcends the therapy itself. > Ok. You are clarifying this for me as you say that. Now I have to say I believe it is possible to romance the Self (Being) through diving deep with pysche's depths. I know for myself that my psyche is a direct path into transcendental Self. But I was a meditator when I was shown that. That said .. I also believe in Guru as mediator between the one lost identifying as ego personality .. & that Guru mediates between Grace & the aspirant. Guru is needed to cut you from ego attachment ~ even if for a few moments, I feel. I know that meditation cultures the body & brain to experience, & in time maintain transcendental awareness so it can be strong enough to experience Grace. Grace I equate with infinity infusion. I would like to hear other peoples ideas & definitions. Can Guru function be charmed into aiding an aspirant seeking himself through psychological means? I suppose so :-) Now would be agood time for a Nisargadatta quote where he explains Guru may be anywhere (even speaking from a book blessing). It may not need be a living or certain Master (who may have passed on) apparently. So I am fascinated when I meet some who are Jungian analysts or whatever who do carry an Essence glow. It seems there are many ways. Thanks for listening, Love, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2000 Report Share Posted April 28, 2000 MMmmmmm.... Dear, dear, dear Colette, thank you for being in my life. I will want to respond with some sort of harmony/counterpoint/unrelated noise to thislovely post, but am too tired now. I got my official de-appointment letter yesterday and was amazed to experience such joy at the freedom it represents. Last night the flip side kept me tossing and turning until 4:00 or 5:00. Today was a hard day. I talk a good game, and I mean it about experiencing the pain (both today's and yesterday's) fully, but I have to admit it's not fun. Anyway, so much for the confession of how I am feeling tonight. I just wanted to say that your wisdom is welcome (deeply welcome) here. (here being Mark's heart) Breaking the cycle is so so so important. Mmmmmmmm..... I love you. hmmm... I do gush, don't I? Love, Mark Colette wrote: > Hey friends! I want to share how wonderful it is to read you two (Mark > & Robert) like this ... Real human stuff we all deal with. And with > such love in your hearts. > > Robert Weil wrote: > > > >Mark > > >P.S. From either this list, or its near neighbor, the NonDuality > Salon, > > >this seems relevant here: > > > > > > It seems embodiment is about now not witnessing, but actually > diving > > >into Oneness of > > >what Is. Absorption. In this way whatever personality issues remain > for > > >healing are able to Be > > >healed from conscious unconditional awareness, as they are not > witnessed > > >but lived FELT rawly :-) So > > >you can face them fully & transmute them. > > Thanks, Mark. I wrote that.. For while witnessing was my salvation. > Now the tables have been turned & I feel reversed :-) Sounds funny > doesn't it? Mark I want to tell you I d from NDS to focus > here. I share this because I notice you wrote to me there, just before > I left today. > > I think as children we repressed how we felt to survive. Have you ever > heard the saying that it is what you haven't allowed yourself to feel, > that will kill you? My dear mother was a 20 year meditator, BUT she > never embraced psyche work. She kept hiding from her wound. She died > of cancer. Now I know her generation was bound, & taught not to feel, > & be polite & fit in. > > My brother & I learnt meditation from her lead. Now we are breaking > the cycle carried on down our line. We are deep in our psyches from > the illuminating torch our Essence has shone on our dark hidden > alleyways. Meditation will take you in deep, & even past it all. But > to come back & See with clarity, I believe the shadows must be also > be loved back into the light. Yes we love our children (our emotions) > through letting them speak to us. (We dare to feel the core wound). I > do. Do I have a choice? :-))) > > > Funny, as it happens, I was reading that post yesterday, and that > struck > > home! As did the debate between Greg and Colette re: whether someone > who > > has not yet experienced the Self can discover Self through therapy. > I feel > > that it is possible (as all things can be), but it will happen (as > Col > > says) by an agency that transcends the therapy itself. > > > > Ok. You are clarifying this for me as you say that. Now I have to say > I believe it is possible to romance the Self (Being) through diving > deep with pysche's depths. I know for myself that my psyche is a > direct path into transcendental Self. But I was a meditator when I was > shown that. > > That said .. I also believe in Guru as mediator between the one lost > identifying as ego personality .. & that Guru mediates between Grace & > the aspirant. Guru is needed to cut you from ego attachment ~ even if > for a few moments, I feel. > > I know that meditation cultures the body & brain to experience, & in > time maintain transcendental awareness so it can be strong enough to > experience Grace. Grace I equate with infinity infusion. I would like > to hear other peoples ideas & definitions. > > Can Guru function be charmed into aiding an aspirant seeking himself > through psychological means? I suppose so :-) Now would be agood > time for a Nisargadatta quote where he explains Guru may be anywhere > (even speaking from a book blessing). It may not need be a living or > certain Master (who may have passed on) apparently. > > So I am fascinated when I meet some who are Jungian analysts or > whatever who do carry an Essence glow. It seems there are many ways. > > Thanks for listening, > > Love, > > Col > > ----- > shapeani.gif > ----- > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and > subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not > different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the > nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always > Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart > to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the > Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It > Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link > from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change > your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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