"Psychology of awakening" (Greg)

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Hi Greg. I will do my best to answer your query.

 

Greg Goode wrote:

> Hi Colette,

>

> Jumping in here...

>

> At 12:01 PM 4/28/00 +1000, Colette wrote:

>

> >*Hi Amanda. I am saying that one can completely transcend everything, body

> & mind, & there is no one there. Just Existence it Self. Seer (no persons).

> Eye.

> >

> >I am also saying that this impersonal Being may come back into personal

> manifestation using the former personality. Then this Being gets the fun of

> experience again through cleaning up the subtler issues still left for

> playing in (maybe as alternation of pain & pleasure). Identification as

> nothing & something may alternate :-) Sounds funny doesn't it? In this way

> God continues His play, & we continue to marry to Him. Two still playing as

> One. Or One still playing as two. I am saying there are stages & gradations

> in the whole divine process.

>

> Greg:

> Quick question for you, Colette. If the transcendence is really complete

> and there is really no one there, then how can identification re-appear?

 

Well Greg the True Self is not lost. The True identity as Pure awareness

existence Self. Isness I Am. So what one wasn't (the personality is

transcended). How does it reappear> Sheesh man what do you think I am to answer

that! haha!Of ItSelf Greg. That is the rising & falling of manifestation.

Desire. Are you manifest? Are you also Being (absolute)?

 

Awareness Is. Pure awareness as I see It is not personal, at Its Source.

 

You are asking me to explain God's Mystery. Sorry. I can't :-)))) I won't try.

 

It is like you asking me how did we enter into this game of manifestation,

ever? And why?

Have you ever heard about Vedic Science which explains that in every moment we

die (collapse back into the infinite) & are reborn? ( like flickering in & out

of manifestation). This some call the in breath & outbreath of God. How do we

come back in each moment wearing the same personality? (except some change

through evolution is occuring (everchanging expansion - in each collapse back

into the unified field.

 

Vedic science (if I can explain it (whew not easy) explains (please corect me if

I am wrong) that the vibrations of Natural law which manifest all levels of

creation .. the syllables of the Rig Ved arise from still silent Atma to Veda to

Vishwa to Brahm. These syllables hmm .. expand to manifest & evolve as ever

expanding expressions of ItSelf From ItSelf. Our realm, ourSelf Us, is

recreating every moment. How is your house still there? :-)

 

How do we come back into the same person? This is mystery to me too Greg :-)

Thank god, God's got the mechanics worked out! This is why some advise us to

breathe back as love. Come back from your collapse into the unified field of all

possibilities in each moment and sponsor your first thought back on this side,

with Love! We all usually come back recreating by sponsoring our first thought

with fear (separation & judgement).

> And let's say for a moment that identification did arise. What would make

> it the *same* person or the *same* identification as before? If

> identification arises, how do you know it is not *another* person? If it

> is the same person who somehow re-appears, then there had to be something

> very subtle persisting that hadn't disappeared. Even in reincarnation

> theory - when Sara reincarnates as Elizabeth, they are not said to be the

> same person. Complete transcendence must always be irreversible.

>

> This is not to say that psychological work movement cannot happen at any

> time. This is one of the main points that started this thread - that

> psychological work is valuable whenever it is needed. To adopt a certain

> way of speaking, let's say that Sara completely transcends. The inherent

> identity is gone. Sara won't think in terms of bodies or personalities any

> more. Other people in her life might see a difference (might not), but

> they would think in terms of bodies, identity, personality. If Sara goes

> to a psychologist and starts to become a nicer person and experiences more

> comfortable thoughts and feelings, it is not *her* personality change,

> because there no Sara left. Rather, it is a change in the overall

> landscape, just like the change in season from winter to spring.

 

But ya know Greg there's something about your question that sparks me to say

that anyone achieving complete transcendence doesn't come back really as the

same person in any way. It just appears so. The play continues though!

 

And here's to the One!

 

:-)

 

Col

>

>

> Actually, it is *always* like Sara's case, for everyone - landscape. But

> it is just seen as something personal.

>

> Love,

>

> --Greg

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At 01:21 AM 4/29/00 +1000, Colette wrote:

>But ya know Greg there's something about your question that sparks me to

say that anyone achieving complete transcendence doesn't come back really

as the same person in any way. It just appears so. The play continues though!

>

>And here's to the One!

>

>:-)

>

>Col

 

I like this, Col/One! They're not the same person to *begin* with, so how

could they ever come back as that?

 

--Greg

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Greg Goode wrote:

> At 01:21 AM 4/29/00 +1000, Colette wrote:

>

> >But ya know Greg there's something about your question that sparks me to

> say that anyone achieving complete transcendence doesn't come back really

> as the same person in any way. It just appears so. The play continues though!

> >

> >And here's to the One!

> >

> >:-)

> >

> >Col

>

> I like this, Col/One! They're not the same person to *begin* with, so how

> could they ever come back as that?

>

> --Greg

 

Haha!

 

Such a laugh, this play!

 

Col