Guest guest Posted May 3, 2000 Report Share Posted May 3, 2000 Roger Isaacs [RIsaacs] I practiced TM for many years. And I believe it can be useful for some people at a particular stage of the quest. Despite the TM movement's ever expanding array of revenue generating techniques, a different story can be heard in some of Maharishi's comments: 'the real guru is the innocent guiding Self within'. I can't help wondering if those people who constantly shell out more & more money for the latest TM techniques have not yet found the 'innocent guiding Self within'. The 'master key' is within, not in any expensive idol. Roger Thank you Roger for stating it plainly. I have many friends in TM that I love dearly including Jill Eggers and Dirk. Would I be imposing on you Jill and Dirk to make a comment on this. Of course I would be! But what are friends for :--) Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2000 Report Share Posted May 3, 2000 Some of Tarabilda's comments regarding the Veda from www.newu.org Roger ----- 9-27-98 RUDOLPH STEINER'S WARNING The philosopher and spiritual adept, Rudolph Steiner, warned westerners not to fall under the sway of the ancient spiritual teachings of the east. These teachings flourished at a time when humankind was quite different in its make-up than today. The human ego was less developed and individuals were far more otherworldly. Their spiritual practices reflected these differences so that what was useful then could be dangerous today. Even the question of what is the appropriate role and style of functioning for a spiritual teacher is handled quite differently in the east. Steiner also accepted what I constantly emphasize, namely, that the Indian guru model is no longer appropriate for this age. Westerners who fall under the sway of Indian gurus are, often, more backward types with poorly developed egos, lazy minds and weak wills. They are drawn to gurus for the sense of security and power it gives them. ----- 9-27-98 INDIAN TEACHINGS I have never suggested that the ancient Vedas are best ignored be westerners as a source of spiritual study and reflection. They should be studied, but in a spirit of free inquiry and experimentation and with the recognition that human beings of today are quite different from those of the times when the Veda was first cognized. ----- 9-26-98 INFATUATION WITH EASTERN TEACHINGS I live in a community (Fairfield, Iowa) where most of the people are still hypnotized by eastern doctrines and the Indian way of life, due to the presence of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's university here. These people might be well served to read Paul Brunton's commentaries on the orient, found in Volume 10 of his Notebooks. I offer you three samplings: "I have for some years kept myself apart from the Indian spiritual movements of every kind and do not wish to get associated with them in any way. Consequently, I shall not resume my contact with any swami or yogi, for I wish to work in utter independence of them. My reasons are based on the illuminations which have come to me, on my understanding that the West must work out its own salvation, and on the narrow-minded intolerance of the Indian mentality towards any such creative endeavor on the West's part." "This geographical conception of spiritual truth, which places the centre of light in Asia and the centre of darkness in the rest of the world, had some value in the past centuries, but it is of dubious value in our own." "The Orient cannot save the Occident for it needs first to save itself. To arrive at this conclusion was a great change in my beliefs and therefore one made very slowly." -------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2000 Report Share Posted May 3, 2000 Hello Roger. Roger Isaacs wrote: > Colette wrote: > > "The structure of the Rk Veda, as brought to light by Maharishi's > commentary on Rk Veda, > > is a master key for understanding any aspect of knowledge. > > ... > > To see something quite awesome go here : http://www.vedicobservatory.org/ > > Took me a while to find the bottom line: "$3,100 plus shipping, handling, > and any applicable taxes." Is that what you meant by "awesome"? :-) > > Tarabilda comments on the "Decline & fall of the Veda": > http://www.dimensional.com/~risaacs/dec_idx.htm > This page is within www.newu.org > > I practiced TM for many years. And I believe it can be useful for some > people at a particular stage of the quest. > > Despite the TM movement's ever expanding array of revenue generating > techniques, a different story can be heard in some of Maharishi's comments: > 'the real guru is the innocent guiding Self within'. > > I can't help wondering if those people who constantly shell out more & more > money for the latest TM techniques have not yet found the 'innocent guiding > Self within'. The 'master key' is within, not in any expensive idol. > > Roger Hi. I get the impression that you presumed my intention of sharing the url was to sell some merchandise. Sorry you thought so. There is no way I will be buying it. Dear Roger even in simply glimpsing those pictures can alignment be aided. That is what I know. I am glad I found them, because I am very very curious as to how my physiology is constructed from the laws of Nature reverberating from the unified field & as to how my own may be similar to the cosmic physiology. I too am not at all happy about the prices the TM people place on courses & such. There is plenty of ego, alive & well there. I am also curious as to how the planets may effect our functioning in body mind & emotions. And how may my own consciousness is entwined with the consciousness of planets animals, plants, etc. I was one of the lucky ones who did Maharishi's first satellite course for a low price. The knowledge offered & the aligning techniques too were awesome. A 6 month course for $500. It blew my mind. Unfortunately after that the price went up. I don't know why. I guess I am sharing this because I know that we can have great infusions of Grace or Void on the level of consciousness aware of ItSelf. But then the integration comes after for we are not just infinite we are also finite form. Accepting one's own Cosmic Nature requires a physiology reday for it as well as the right attitudes, as I see it. This is not just a matter of meditate & boom you're there all safe & cosy. If I Am the Void I'd like to know what my relationship to the planets & my own body Is. I see it's all about relationship. This Play ... So I didn't particularly enjoy your reaction Roger. Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 > > Colette wrote: > > > "The structure of the Rk Veda, as brought to light by Maharishi's > > commentary on Rk Veda, > > > is a master key for understanding any aspect of knowledge. > > > ... > > > To see something quite awesome go here : http://www.vedicobservatory.org/ > >Roger: > > Took me a while to find the bottom line: "$3,100 plus shipping, handling, > > and any applicable taxes." Is that what you meant by "awesome"? :-) >... colette wrote: > I am also curious as to how the planets may effect > our functioning in body mind & emotions. ... > I guess I am sharing this because ... > If I Am the Void I'd like to know what my relationship > to the planets & my own body Is. I see it's all about > relationship. This Play ... > > So I didn't particularly enjoy your reaction Roger. > > Col Dear Colette: Maharishi says all of creation is the play of three 'attributes', the 'gunas'. The attributes are harmony (sattva), the spur to action (rajas), and inertia or destruction (tamas). And he also says 'be without the attributes' in otherwords don't attach your awareness to the play of these attributes, recognize your Self as impartial witness of the play. The planets/astrological archetypes are a more detailed tool for examination. Instead of using the lense of 3 we are expanding our view to 8 or 70+ if you consider all the houses, signs etc... Our interaction can be analyzed this way. For example: we could say you are the 'harmony' part of our dance or call it Jupiter: expansive, positive. I'm playing the role of destruction or call it Rahu/the North node of the moon, Rahu is the rebel, the outlaw, Robin Hood is a good representative of this type of energy. Just being myself! :-) So let's recognize that we are just doing a dance here and not take it personally. And let's recognize that any particular issue must always be viewed from different angles to get a picture of the whole. There is no one right position or one right person, consider the blind men & the elephant fable. Suppressing any view because it doesn't fit your preconceived notion is negative! Why is destruction necessary? Because no new state can be brought into being without the destruction of the old state. "Harmony" or sattva can NOT remain static, when harmony becomes static it takes on inertia, becomes stale & unresponsive & transforms into something negative! And so internally, if we cling to harmony, we fail to rise to Maharishi's challenge: 'be without the attributes'. How are you going to attain Maharishi's "cosmic consciousness"? Can you attain "CC" while being dependant on the TM movement or while placing Maharishi's opinions superior to the innocent guiding Self within you? Certainly if one takes independence too soon, as a child trying to run before learning to walk, you WILL fall. On the other hand some initiative is required otherwise the child will never attain the status of it's parent. Look at teenagers: some rebellion against authority is required to become self sufficient. Timing is everything. I hope this puts some perspective on our conversation. Thanks for your input. I know from experience that TM is useful, but it's not right for everyone at all times. You say you've found the Maharishi Vedic Observatory to be useful: I'm not doubting this, nor am I suggesting that you do anything other than follow your own inner enthusiasm and thanks for sharing your enthusiasm here. By the way, as far as the astrological archetypes and your quest to find this in your experience, in your life. I've got to recommend my departed friend Edward Tarabilda's work. www.newu.org Especially his book "The Global Oracle: a spiritual blueprint". This book explores the astrological archetypes with new insight and links them to the I-Ching, the tarot, and other oracles giving emphasis to revitalizing spirituality & education. Edward passed away last year, however, his widow Bernadette continues to give consultations in his work called "The Art of Multi-Dimensional Living". The consultations are a powerful way of finding the influence of the archetypes in your life, in the spiritual arena, wealth/desire, your relationship to society, career, empowering your own unique creative skill, relationships and mental & physical health... all with the intent of becoming truly self sufficient. Love, Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2000 Report Share Posted May 4, 2000 Hi Roger. Roger Isaacs wrote: > Dear Colette: > > Our interaction can be analyzed this way. For example: we could say you are > the 'harmony' part of our dance or call it Jupiter: expansive, positive. I'm > playing the role of destruction or call it Rahu/the North node of the moon, > Rahu is the rebel, the outlaw, Robin Hood is a good representative of this > type of energy. Just being myself! :-) Ya know Roger this is very cute! > I hope this puts some perspective on our conversation. Thanks for your > input. I know from experience that TM is useful, but it's not right for > everyone at all times. You say you've found the Maharishi Vedic Observatory > to be useful: I'm not doubting this, nor am I suggesting that you do > anything other than follow your own inner enthusiasm and thanks for sharing > your enthusiasm here. > > Love, > Roger Thankyou for sharing Roger. I have not practiced TM for a year now. love, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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