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Jill Eggers [eggers]

 

 

Hi Harsha, Roger, and everyone.

 

I practiced TM for 23 years regularly (and for the last 3 years

intermittently, as highly active kundalini has made regular practice of

most spiritual techniques dangerous for me). I share some of Roger's

conflict about the relations between spirituality and commerce in the TM

movement. It is an issue I have struggled to understand since I began my

TM practice when I was 14.

 

I suppose any spiritual institution is but an imperfect vehicle for its

goals. Roger makes a very good point in quoting Maharishi: "the real guru

is the innocent, guiding self within"--I believe Maharishi would agree with

Ramakrishna that it is healthy and good to be exacting and rigorous in

one's examination of one's guru, and of the circumstances surrounding the

teaching.

 

I make a distiction between this and guru-bashing, or disrespect for the

guru. But it seems from my experience that many teachers of TM feel that

any questioning of the practices of the movement or of the "party line"

constitutes dangerous disrespect. In my experience, tm teachers are often

unwilling to engage in any discussion that involves questioning or

challenging decisions and ideas within the movement. I am uncomfortable

with this, as I think most people raised in a democracy are. It seems both

politically and spiritually dangerous.

 

Since kundalini activity began for me it has been abundantly clear, as

Maharishi says, that the real guru is within. The kundalini process

becomes the guiding (or commanding!) force making the relativity of all

structures for spiritual learning, or growth, apparent. As a result I can

enjoy a pick-and-choose relationship to the teachings and techniques

offered by the movement. Many of them have been wonderful, although I also

access many techniques of other spiritual teachings as well. Ultimately

this more catholic approach makes the best sense to me.

 

Well, Harsha, are you sorry you asked?

 

Love,

 

Jill

 

Thanks Jill. I am actually glad I asked and I appreciate your not taking it

as an imposition.

 

Jill, your common sense, independence, eloquence, and logical reasoning is

always spell binding. There is something truly very comforting about it.

Thanks for sharing you experience in the warmth of satsanga.

 

Love

Harsha

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At 01:26 PM 5/3/00 -0400, you wrote:

>

>Roger Isaacs [RIsaacs]

>

>I practiced TM for many years. And I believe it can be useful for some

>people at a particular stage of the quest.

>

>Despite the TM movement's ever expanding array of revenue generating

>techniques, a different story can be heard in some of Maharishi's comments:

>'the real guru is the innocent guiding Self within'.

>

>I can't help wondering if those people who constantly shell out more & more

>money for the latest TM techniques have not yet found the 'innocent guiding

>Self within'. The 'master key' is within, not in any expensive idol.

>

>Roger

>

>

>Thank you Roger for stating it plainly. I have many friends in TM that I

>love dearly including Jill Eggers and Dirk. Would I be imposing on you Jill

>and Dirk to make a comment on this. Of course I would be! But what are

>friends for :--)

>

>Harsha

 

 

Hi Harsha, Roger, and everyone.

 

I practiced TM for 23 years regularly (and for the last 3 years

intermittently, as highly active kundalini has made regular practice of

most spiritual techniques dangerous for me). I share some of Roger's

conflict about the relations between spirituality and commerce in the TM

movement. It is an issue I have struggled to understand since I began my

TM practice when I was 14.

 

I suppose any spiritual institution is but an imperfect vehicle for its

goals. Roger makes a very good point in quoting Maharishi: "the real guru

is the innocent, guiding self within"--I believe Maharishi would agree with

Ramakrishna that it is healthy and good to be exacting and rigorous in

one's examination of one's guru, and of the circumstances surrounding the

teaching.

 

I make a distiction between this and guru-bashing, or disrespect for the

guru. But it seems from my experience that many teachers of TM feel that

any questioning of the practices of the movement or of the "party line"

constitutes dangerous disrespect. In my experience, tm teachers are often

unwilling to engage in any discussion that involves questioning or

challenging decisions and ideas within the movement. I am uncomfortable

with this, as I think most people raised in a democracy are. It seems both

politically and spiritually dangerous.

 

Since kundalini activity began for me it has been abundantly clear, as

Maharishi says, that the real guru is within. The kundalini process

becomes the guiding (or commanding!) force making the relativity of all

structures for spiritual learning, or growth, apparent. As a result I can

enjoy a pick-and-choose relationship to the teachings and techniques

offered by the movement. Many of them have been wonderful, although I also

access many techniques of other spiritual teachings as well. Ultimately

this more catholic approach makes the best sense to me.

 

Well, Harsha, are you sorry you asked?

 

Love,

 

Jill

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