Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 "Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar)" wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Recently I became curious as to what the world record is in holding the > breath. Also, is anyone familiar with any experiments on yogis to test their > breathing, brain waves, heart beat, etc. I recall Swami Rama did some > experiments at the Menninger Institute in the early 1970s. If you are aware > of a website/book addressing these issues, please post. > > Thanks > Harsha A small book, called "The relaxation response", it is a small study of the effect of saying mantra, changing the breathing pattern, etc..., on the body, called here by the physician: relaxation response. The research was at first started by wanting to find ways to act on high blood pressure. It's from memory, don't remember the name of the writer. Has been a best seller in the US around the beginning of the 90's. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 Hi Harsha, > Recently I became curious as to what the world record is in holding the >breath. Also, is anyone familiar with any experiments on yogis to test their >breathing, brain waves, heart beat, etc. I recall Swami Rama did some >experiments at the Menninger Institute in the early 1970s. If you are aware >of a website/book addressing these issues, please post. Ingo Swann was the subject of experiments at Stanford some years ago with Russell Targ and others. Apparently the government got into it. I haven't read all the material, but here are some URLs that I saved back in Sept. - hope they're still good. Swann's site: http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com Swann links http://www.ufomind.com/people/s/swann/ Targ http://www.espresearch.com/ URLs http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/blackoak/remotevi.htm Remote viewing biz http://www.fastnet.co.uk/pms/index.html Those experiments at the Menninger Institute were done by a man named Green or Greene... I'm thinking it was Edward or Edmund... and a woman, maybe his wife, because I'm thinking "the Greenes." There was at least one book on that, but years ago. You might find something on them on the net... possibly in the links above. Aha! I just looked on my shelves and came up with a book, _Mind-Reach: Scientists Look at Psychic Ability_, by Russell Targ and Harold E. Puthoff, Introduction by Margaret Mead, Foreward by Richard Bach, Dell Publishing Co., New York, 1977. Listed under "Other Delta books of related interest," are: _Beyond Biofeedback_ by Elmer and Alyce Green (Menninger!) _Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer_ by Kenneth Pelletier _Toward a Science of Consciousness_ by Kenneth Pelletier Also, the Soviets did a great deal of work on these things. See: _Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain_ by Sheila Ostrander and Lynn Schroeder, Introduction by Ivan T. Sanderson, Bantam Books, Prentice-Hall,1970. They also wrote a second book, which I don't see right now, and I can't remember the title. Love, Dharma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Recently I became curious as to what the world record is in holding the > breath. Also, is anyone familiar with any experiments on yogis to test their > breathing, brain waves, heart beat, etc. I recall Swami Rama did some > experiments at the Menninger Institute in the early 1970s. If you are aware > of a website/book addressing these issues, please post. > > Thanks > Harsha > This guy holds a record for holding his breath for over 7 minutes underwater, and basically all deep free diving records. He mentions pranayama as part of his preparation. http://www.divernet.com/compet/peli197.htm http://www.sectornolimits.com/team/atleti/pelizzari.html andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 Fascinating information Andrew! Thanks. Harsha andrew macnab [a.macnab] Monday, May 15, 2000 12:21 PM Re: Help with information on Pranayama Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Recently I became curious as to what the world record is in holding the > breath. Also, is anyone familiar with any experiments on yogis to test their > breathing, brain waves, heart beat, etc. I recall Swami Rama did some > experiments at the Menninger Institute in the early 1970s. If you are aware > of a website/book addressing these issues, please post. > > Thanks > Harsha > This guy holds a record for holding his breath for over 7 minutes underwater, and basically all deep free diving records. He mentions pranayama as part of his preparation. http://www.divernet.com/compet/peli197.htm http://www.sectornolimits.com/team/atleti/pelizzari.html andrew ------ Get paid for the stuff you know! Get answers for the stuff you dont. And get $10 to spend on the site! http://click./1/2200/7/_/520931/_/958407402/ ------ // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription between digest and normal mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 Dear Harsha, The TM techniques are supported by a massive amount of scientific research. See www.tm.org , There's a menu on the left titled "Research Studies and Benefits". There have been many hundreds perhaps thousands of different papers written. These papers have been collected together and are available to the public. Some interpret these studies in a competitive way maintaining this shows TM as being superior to other techniques. I practiced TM and the "TM sidhis program" for about 12 years. But I stopped about 10 years ago. I can tell you that what I do now, which is often virtually nothing, is MUCH more beneficial than TM ever was for me. But my emphasis is on the "for me": I believe that different styles are appropriate for different people and that TM did not precisely take advantage of my innate skill. TM is no doubt ideal for some. Love, Roger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 Jan did some experiments with breathing which he discusses on the K list sometime in the past year. Perhaps he will tell us about them again. Jill At 09:46 AM 5/15/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > > Recently I became curious as to what the world record is in holding the >breath. Also, is anyone familiar with any experiments on yogis to test their >breathing, brain waves, heart beat, etc. I recall Swami Rama did some >experiments at the Menninger Institute in the early 1970s. If you are aware >of a website/book addressing these issues, please post. > >Thanks >Harsha > > >------ >Get paid for the stuff you know! >Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! >http://click./1/2200/7/_/520931/_/958398461/ >------ > >// > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > >To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2000 Report Share Posted May 15, 2000 On 5/15/00 at 1:18 PM Jill Eggers wrote: ¤Jan did some experiments with breathing which he discusses on the K list ¤sometime in the past year. Perhaps he will tell us about them again. ¤ ¤Jill I ransacked the archive but didn't find the post to the K. list; only the one mentioning a 120 hour practice, copied below. Regarding K., it wasn't difficult to discover the sense most involved is the sense of touch, which remains, whether experienced by an "I" or not. But there are several occasions, where the sense of touch is almost absent and likewise, the sense of pranic currents seem to be absent. Knowing the "conditions" accompanying the "end" of both the sense of pranic currents and the sense of touch, I couldn't be hoodwinked by temporary, seeming absence, and "fanned" K. as much as possible - and surely it "revived", albeit always with a very different "map and feel" of chakras and nadis. The last time that such an endeavor was possible, was the 120 hour pranayama "sitting". ---------------- > HarshaIMTM > > In a message dated 5/11/1999 9:25:17 PM Atlantic Daylight Time, > kvy9 writes: > > << For someone like Gorakhnath, my once held little pranayama practice of > taking one breath per minute during 120 hours must be a joke but how many > present day practitioners of Hatha Yoga could perform such a triviality? > > Jan > >> > > Harsha: Having had some experience with pranayama, I doubt many > could, not > even those living in present day ashrams practicing this on a full time > basis. Taking pranayama to the limit or close to it requires, careful > regulation of food and sensual conduct, and both physical and > mental stamina > and a lot of confidence. As I have stated many times, advanced > pranayama with > long term forced breath retention is not suitable for most people. Mild > pranayama is a good sedative and can help to balance the > emotions. Once the > Kundalini has been awakened, whether pranayama should be > practiced, and how > much should be practiced is left to each person's judgment. It is > helpful to > have some guidance in these matters. > > Harsha Some time ago I mentioned my practice of pranayama during walking meditation that rapidly became a pleasant habit, lasting for some twenty years, much longer than would have been necessary. When the body has to perform, it will give accurate feedback signals so one can easily observe the effects. Of course the body has to be healthy in order to interpret these signals correctly. With this practice as the basis, the 120 hour pranayama practice was relatively easy. Jan - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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