Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 Liliana Pechal [wiosna] Thursday, May 18, 2000 12:10 PM Re:Help with information on Pranayama Dear Harsha, I had done asanas Iyengar way for 3 years some time ago. It definitely was a lot of work and effort but sorry to disagree with you, Harsha-ji, I wouldn't call it physical. Extremely precise, yes, demanding constant concentration and attention. Of course, one may say, the same goes for every assana-practice but the few times I saw lessons in other places and with other teachers (not Iyengar method I mean) it wasn't that...I think "intense" would be the word. That was my impression... And, you are right, Iyengar style yoga can be easily made into a gym. I have seen that too. As for the injuries, inattentiveness may definitely lead to them, big job for a teacher in this method - to notice and correct potential mistakes "beforehand". It is true Iyengar has a difficult immage. The way the classes are run is also adding to it. Mainly the physical details are discussed and "physical" directions given. I had been pondering on it for a short time at the very beginning of my practise. Later I understood. Or rather experienced it. I would say spirituality is not discussed or explained there, it's done. Kevala Kumbhaka happened frequently to me at the end of classes. As for pranayama, Iyengar did an incredible job. If you have not seen the book, (it was published it the 80's, I think) please, take a look and you will know what I mean. It is based on his personal experience and thorough study and covers, I believe, most pranayama technics (although I can't be an expert here, perhaps you could comment). And can be used and be of help to any(tradition) yoga teacher, IMO. I hope you won't find my comments too "offensive". I feel a little strange "arguing" with you, a yoga teacher and a Jain on such topics. Just trying to share and present the superb means for the work with the gross that I was lucky to have been given at the right time. For this as well as for his personal medical instructions to me I will be always grateful to B.K.S. Iyengar. Namaste Liliana Hello Sri Lilianaji! Thank you for your well thought out comments. I would agree that B.K.S. Iyengar has helped a lot of people and contributed superbly to the field of Yoga. It is wonderful that you benefited personally from his instructions. Actually, all these distinctions between different styles seem academic to me and are perhaps appropriate for marketing purposes only. After all, Yoga is Yoga. Iyengar is a unique example of a very gifted individual who had little formal training from his brother in law Krishmacharya on Yoga. He is a self-made man. Iyengar gave an interview in the Yoga Journal a few years back reflecting on his experiences. It was quite funny and interesting and revealing about his perspective. Namaste Liliana. Please share with comfort in this fellowship. Thanks. Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 18, 2000 Report Share Posted May 18, 2000 Hello Harsha-ji and Liliana, I agree! Thanks to you ane Liliana for this interchange. I learned something from it. I teach advaita vedanta to yoga teachers-in-training at a yoga studio here in NYC. For part of this course (and for teacher-training certification purposes), I taught the Yoga Sutras. In this studio, the hatha yoga is spiritually inclined and motivated from the very first meditation all the way to the difficult poses. (There's one called the "Chataranga" that the teacher likes.) The satguru of the yoga studio is the great advaitin Krishna Menon (1895-1959), and the hatha yoga's purpose is to experience that the body is nothing other than transparent sensations and perceptions arising, abiding, and falling in awarness. As transparent, the body is limitless and edgeless. This can be experienced no matter how stiff one is, even with a sore back!! Thanks for discussing on this! Love, --Greg At 01:26 PM 5/18/00 -0400, Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote: > >Liliana Pechal [wiosna] >Thursday, May 18, 2000 12:10 PM > > Re:Help with information on Pranayama > >Dear Harsha, > >I had done asanas Iyengar way for 3 years some time ago. It definitely was a >lot of work and effort but sorry to disagree with you, Harsha-ji, I wouldn't >call it physical. Extremely precise, yes, demanding constant concentration >and attention. Of course, one may say, the same goes for every >assana-practice but the few times I saw lessons in other places and with >other teachers (not Iyengar method I mean) it wasn't that...I think >"intense" would be the word. That was my impression... And, you are right, >Iyengar style yoga can be easily made into a gym. I have seen that too. >As for the injuries, inattentiveness may definitely lead to them, big job >for a teacher in this method - to notice and correct potential mistakes >"beforehand". > >It is true Iyengar has a difficult immage. The way the classes are run is >also adding to it. Mainly the physical details are discussed and "physical" >directions given. I had been pondering on it for a short time at the very >beginning of my practise. Later I understood. Or rather experienced it. I >would say spirituality is not discussed or explained there, it's done. >Kevala Kumbhaka happened frequently to me at the end of classes. > >As for pranayama, Iyengar did an incredible job. If you have not seen the >book, (it was published it the 80's, I think) please, take a look and you >will know what I mean. It is based on his personal experience and thorough >study and covers, I believe, most pranayama technics (although I can't be an >expert here, perhaps you could comment). And can be used and be of help to >any(tradition) yoga teacher, IMO. > >I hope you won't find my comments too "offensive". I feel a little strange >"arguing" with you, a yoga teacher and a Jain on such topics. Just trying >to share and present the superb means for the work with the gross that I was >lucky to have been given at the right time. For this as well as for his >personal medical instructions to me I will >be always grateful to B.K.S. Iyengar. > >Namaste >Liliana > > >Hello Sri Lilianaji! Thank you for your well thought out comments. I would >agree that B.K.S. Iyengar has helped a lot of people and contributed >superbly to the field of Yoga. It is wonderful that you benefited personally >from his instructions. Actually, all these distinctions between different >styles seem academic to me and are perhaps appropriate for marketing >purposes only. After all, Yoga is Yoga. Iyengar is a unique example of a >very gifted individual who had little formal training from his brother in >law Krishmacharya on Yoga. He is a self-made man. Iyengar gave an interview >in the Yoga Journal a few years back reflecting on his experiences. It was >quite funny and interesting and revealing about his perspective. > >Namaste Liliana. Please share with comfort in this fellowship. Thanks. > >Harsha > > >------ >Make new friends, find the old at Classmates.com: >http://click./1/4052/7/_/520931/_/958670797/ >------ > >// > >All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > >To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2000 Report Share Posted May 20, 2000 On Thu, 18 May 2000 13:49:46 -0400 Greg Goode <goode wrote: > >Hello Harsha-ji and Liliana, > >I agree! Thanks to you ane Liliana for this interchange. I learned >something from it. I teach advaita vedanta to yoga teachers-in-training at >a yoga studio here in NYC. For part of this course (and for >teacher-training certification purposes), I taught the Yoga Sutras. In >this studio, the hatha yoga is spiritually inclined and motivated from the >very first meditation all the way to the difficult poses. (There's one >called the "Chataranga" that the teacher likes.) The satguru of the yoga >studio is the great advaitin Krishna Menon (1895-1959), and the hatha >yoga's purpose is to experience that the body is nothing other than >transparent sensations and perceptions arising, abiding, and falling in >awarness. As transparent, the body is limitless and edgeless. This can be >experienced no matter how stiff one is, even with a sore back!! > >Thanks for discussing on this! > >Love, > >--Greg> Dear Greg, Your teaching experience sounds fascinating and I am sorry I am nowhere around NYC, loosing a chance to participate. (We are all too much scattered as to my taste). Got curious how the hatha yoga classes are actually "run". Always reading with interest your comments. Namaste Liliana Get your FREE Email at http://mailcity.lycos.com Get your PERSONALIZED START PAGE at lycos.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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