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Liliana Pechal [wiosna]

Thursday, May 18, 2000 12:10 PM

Re:Help with information on Pranayama

 

Dear Harsha,

 

I had done asanas Iyengar way for 3 years some time ago. It definitely was a

lot of work and effort but sorry to disagree with you, Harsha-ji, I wouldn't

call it physical. Extremely precise, yes, demanding constant concentration

and attention. Of course, one may say, the same goes for every

assana-practice but the few times I saw lessons in other places and with

other teachers (not Iyengar method I mean) it wasn't that...I think

"intense" would be the word. That was my impression... And, you are right,

Iyengar style yoga can be easily made into a gym. I have seen that too.

As for the injuries, inattentiveness may definitely lead to them, big job

for a teacher in this method - to notice and correct potential mistakes

"beforehand".

 

It is true Iyengar has a difficult immage. The way the classes are run is

also adding to it. Mainly the physical details are discussed and "physical"

directions given. I had been pondering on it for a short time at the very

beginning of my practise. Later I understood. Or rather experienced it. I

would say spirituality is not discussed or explained there, it's done.

Kevala Kumbhaka happened frequently to me at the end of classes.

 

As for pranayama, Iyengar did an incredible job. If you have not seen the

book, (it was published it the 80's, I think) please, take a look and you

will know what I mean. It is based on his personal experience and thorough

study and covers, I believe, most pranayama technics (although I can't be an

expert here, perhaps you could comment). And can be used and be of help to

any(tradition) yoga teacher, IMO.

 

I hope you won't find my comments too "offensive". I feel a little strange

"arguing" with you, a yoga teacher and a Jain on such topics. Just trying

to share and present the superb means for the work with the gross that I was

lucky to have been given at the right time. For this as well as for his

personal medical instructions to me I will

be always grateful to B.K.S. Iyengar.

 

Namaste

Liliana

 

 

Hello Sri Lilianaji! Thank you for your well thought out comments. I would

agree that B.K.S. Iyengar has helped a lot of people and contributed

superbly to the field of Yoga. It is wonderful that you benefited personally

from his instructions. Actually, all these distinctions between different

styles seem academic to me and are perhaps appropriate for marketing

purposes only. After all, Yoga is Yoga. Iyengar is a unique example of a

very gifted individual who had little formal training from his brother in

law Krishmacharya on Yoga. He is a self-made man. Iyengar gave an interview

in the Yoga Journal a few years back reflecting on his experiences. It was

quite funny and interesting and revealing about his perspective.

 

Namaste Liliana. Please share with comfort in this fellowship. Thanks.

 

Harsha

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Hello Harsha-ji and Liliana,

 

I agree! Thanks to you ane Liliana for this interchange. I learned

something from it. I teach advaita vedanta to yoga teachers-in-training at

a yoga studio here in NYC. For part of this course (and for

teacher-training certification purposes), I taught the Yoga Sutras. In

this studio, the hatha yoga is spiritually inclined and motivated from the

very first meditation all the way to the difficult poses. (There's one

called the "Chataranga" that the teacher likes.) The satguru of the yoga

studio is the great advaitin Krishna Menon (1895-1959), and the hatha

yoga's purpose is to experience that the body is nothing other than

transparent sensations and perceptions arising, abiding, and falling in

awarness. As transparent, the body is limitless and edgeless. This can be

experienced no matter how stiff one is, even with a sore back!!

 

Thanks for discussing on this!

 

Love,

 

--Greg

 

At 01:26 PM 5/18/00 -0400, Harsha (Dr. Harsh K. Luthar) wrote:

>

>Liliana Pechal [wiosna]

>Thursday, May 18, 2000 12:10 PM

>

> Re:Help with information on Pranayama

>

>Dear Harsha,

>

>I had done asanas Iyengar way for 3 years some time ago. It definitely was a

>lot of work and effort but sorry to disagree with you, Harsha-ji, I wouldn't

>call it physical. Extremely precise, yes, demanding constant concentration

>and attention. Of course, one may say, the same goes for every

>assana-practice but the few times I saw lessons in other places and with

>other teachers (not Iyengar method I mean) it wasn't that...I think

>"intense" would be the word. That was my impression... And, you are right,

>Iyengar style yoga can be easily made into a gym. I have seen that too.

>As for the injuries, inattentiveness may definitely lead to them, big job

>for a teacher in this method - to notice and correct potential mistakes

>"beforehand".

>

>It is true Iyengar has a difficult immage. The way the classes are run is

>also adding to it. Mainly the physical details are discussed and "physical"

>directions given. I had been pondering on it for a short time at the very

>beginning of my practise. Later I understood. Or rather experienced it. I

>would say spirituality is not discussed or explained there, it's done.

>Kevala Kumbhaka happened frequently to me at the end of classes.

>

>As for pranayama, Iyengar did an incredible job. If you have not seen the

>book, (it was published it the 80's, I think) please, take a look and you

>will know what I mean. It is based on his personal experience and thorough

>study and covers, I believe, most pranayama technics (although I can't be an

>expert here, perhaps you could comment). And can be used and be of help to

>any(tradition) yoga teacher, IMO.

>

>I hope you won't find my comments too "offensive". I feel a little strange

>"arguing" with you, a yoga teacher and a Jain on such topics. Just trying

>to share and present the superb means for the work with the gross that I was

>lucky to have been given at the right time. For this as well as for his

>personal medical instructions to me I will

>be always grateful to B.K.S. Iyengar.

>

>Namaste

>Liliana

>

>

>Hello Sri Lilianaji! Thank you for your well thought out comments. I would

>agree that B.K.S. Iyengar has helped a lot of people and contributed

>superbly to the field of Yoga. It is wonderful that you benefited personally

>from his instructions. Actually, all these distinctions between different

>styles seem academic to me and are perhaps appropriate for marketing

>purposes only. After all, Yoga is Yoga. Iyengar is a unique example of a

>very gifted individual who had little formal training from his brother in

>law Krishmacharya on Yoga. He is a self-made man. Iyengar gave an interview

>in the Yoga Journal a few years back reflecting on his experiences. It was

>quite funny and interesting and revealing about his perspective.

>

>Namaste Liliana. Please share with comfort in this fellowship. Thanks.

>

>Harsha

>

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On Thu, 18 May 2000 13:49:46 -0400

Greg Goode <goode wrote:

>

>Hello Harsha-ji and Liliana,

>

>I agree! Thanks to you ane Liliana for this interchange. I learned

>something from it. I teach advaita vedanta to yoga teachers-in-training at

>a yoga studio here in NYC. For part of this course (and for

>teacher-training certification purposes), I taught the Yoga Sutras. In

>this studio, the hatha yoga is spiritually inclined and motivated from the

>very first meditation all the way to the difficult poses. (There's one

>called the "Chataranga" that the teacher likes.) The satguru of the yoga

>studio is the great advaitin Krishna Menon (1895-1959), and the hatha

>yoga's purpose is to experience that the body is nothing other than

>transparent sensations and perceptions arising, abiding, and falling in

>awarness. As transparent, the body is limitless and edgeless. This can be

>experienced no matter how stiff one is, even with a sore back!!

>

>Thanks for discussing on this!

>

>Love,

>

>--Greg>

 

Dear Greg,

 

Your teaching experience sounds fascinating and I am sorry I am nowhere around

NYC,

loosing a chance to participate. (We are all too much scattered as to my taste).

Got curious how the hatha yoga classes are actually "run".

 

Always reading with interest your comments.

 

Namaste

Liliana

 

 

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