Guest guest Posted May 25, 2000 Report Share Posted May 25, 2000 <SNIP> > Well stated Hans. All teachers disappear. All teachings disappear. This is > the final blessing and teaching of the sages for those ready to grasp it. > And this final blessing also disappears after making it self felt as the > direction and grace and pull of the Heart. All existence depends on "you". > When the "I" vanishes, the universe vanishes in its totality. > > Harsha > Harsha, this would be the easiest thing for me to do right now. It seems so selfish to just "turn off". "He" knows when to turn me off. "He" has known when to touch me. You and I all die over and again, as he wills. What else is there? dave Thanks Dave. You are perfectly right in a way. It seems that "turning off", "turning on" are relative to each other. Such notions may be applicable to the individual entity conceptualized as ego/mind. The scriptures say that the unreal never was and the Real never ceases to be. Although we use the statement, "the I vanishes", it falls short in description, as "vanishing" presupposes a point of view, a particular perspective. In order for something to vanish, its existence must be premised. But sages and scripture say with beautiful and stunning clarity that the Real never ceases to be and the unreal never was. All descriptions of this "Knowing" fail. Space, Time, and the whole universe originate in this "Knowing." This "Knowing" is Its Own Ground and Its Own Reference. It indeed has no reference points what so ever. Absolutely none. This Knowing is the Heart. Swallowing everything in its entirety, it sits Silent, Full and Complete, and Utterly Satisfied as Pure Silence. Love Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2000 Report Share Posted May 25, 2000 Harsha wrote to Hans: << All teachers disappear. All teachings disappear. This is the final blessing and teaching of the sages for those ready to grasp it. >> Are we not all ready to grasp it? and if one is not why not? Curious... << And this final blessing also disappears after making it self felt as the direction and grace and pull of the Heart. All existence depends on "you". >> << When the "I" vanishes, the universe vanishes in its totality. >> "I" and Universe are one to vanish? Dave wrote: << Harsha, this would be the easiest thing for me to do right now. It seems so selfish to just "turn off". >> I do not see the selfishness if you turn the other off at the same time as you do. It would make you and the other the same. No? << "He" knows when to turn me off. "He" has known when to touch me. You and I all die over and again, as he wills. What else is there? >> Is there something? really!... tell me... Harsha to Dave << Thanks Dave. You are perfectly right in a way. It seems that "turning off", "turning on" are relative to each other. Such notions may be applicable to the individual entity conceptualized as ego/mind. The scriptures say that the unreal never was and the Real never ceases to be. Although we use the statement, "the I vanishes", it falls short in description, as "vanishing" presupposes a point of view, a particular perspective. In order for something to vanish, its existence must be premised. But sages and scripture say with beautiful and stunning clarity that the Real never ceases to be and the unreal never was. All descriptions of this "Knowing" fail. Space, Time, and the whole universe originate in this "Knowing." This "Knowing" is Its Own Ground and Its Own Reference. It indeed has no reference points what so ever. Absolutely none. This Knowing is the Heart. Swallowing everything in its entirety, it sits Silent, Full and Complete, and Utterly Satisfied as Pure Silence. >> A white rose to you Harsha, They come to be beautiful this summer as the sun comes to open the sky from the roots in a billion petals, oops lotus that is... And thank you for sharing the words of Dave and Hans they touch my heart, jewels grow from everywhere like the crystal of a diamond crystallizing from a Carbon of Ether, Ain http://www.osho.com/zentarot/zen001.jpg Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2000 Report Share Posted May 26, 2000 A white rose to you Harsha, They come to be beautiful this summer as the sun comes to open the sky from the roots in a billion petals, oops lotus that is... And thank you for sharing the words of Dave and Hans they touch my heart, jewels grow from everywhere like the crystal of a diamond crystallizing from a Carbon of Ether http://www.osho.com/zentarot/zen001.jpg Antoine Antoine! Antoine! Antoine! You do such magic with words! There is a Hindi love song from a movie where the poet sings to his beloved, "I just hold the pen, it is You who write my poetry!" Congratulations again on your engagement Antoine. We can only imagine the poetry you write for your beloved. We love you pal! :-). Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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