Amanda/Kundalini/Self

May 29, 2000

mumble cat [mumblecat]

Saturday, May 06, 2000 9:06 AM

url for kundalini

Hi Jerry and all,

Thank you very much for posting the URL to us.

The website and message board should be of good help to some ppl.

I have a comment which I thought I should make.

The personal story listed on your website titled

"It began innocently enough" includes descriptions

of

"Invisible beings were making changes to my body......"planting gems in my

chakras", they told me. Then I would be "in service to the hierarchy", they

said. I couldn't move to defend myself. I was paralyzed. ...

For months I felt like I was plugged into 220 volts of electricity with a

body designed for 110 volts. I slept only in short spurts and then I had

terrible nightmares. I was scared to lie down or go to bed."

Nightmares, sleeplessness, energy rushes in sleep

as well as "attacks from invisible beings"

often at night and then being unable to move is very

common when having a Kundalini activation.

These things will come and go in periods

and it is possible to get used to it although it

takes flexibility.

I take it is less bothersome than constant

physical pain however, which must be very difficult

to adjust to.

Love,

Amanda.

Thanks Amanda for sharing this. I am a bit late with my reply. You reminded

me of some Kundalini experiences. It is true as you say that such

experiences are transient and one has to be flexible. Normal Kundalini

awakenings for many people can be highly positive experiences and need not

be frightening given that person has established the proper groundwork, is

familiar with the territory, and knows what to expect. Certain negative

mental and psychic experiences are par for the course. Being unable to move

while being conscious is a common symptom of the Kundalini as are

interactions with invisible beings and angels and visitations to celestial

and heavenly realms. One can go to hellish realms as well! During Samadhi

also, one cannot move as in sleep.

When I was around 21-22, one time I woke up but only in the pure mental

body. I was the mind. There were thoughts, there was memory, feelings, and

there was the sense of personality. Everything was there but the body was

totally missing. I could not see or hear or feel any physical sensations. No

hands, no feet, no face, no heart, no brain, nothing, no body at all! I

could experience thoughts and emotions like fear and uncertainty in the

mind. I had had many experiences but this was something quite different. I

was not in a Samadhi or a high meditative state. I was awake simply as mind

without a body. I started panicking and thought I was dead and in Bardos or

something. I was remembering my mantra and my teacher. It was a very

bizarre situation. After a while, I don't know how, it ended, and my mind

went back to sleep. When I woke up I was again body/mind!

Next day, I went to my teacher and told him about it and said it was a

little scary. He laughed and said, "Enjoy these experiences. Enjoy, enjoy."

At first, I thought my teacher was a little funny dismissing such a

frightening experience as something to enjoy. Later, I thought that perhaps

he did not wish to pamper me or have me dwell on any particular experience.

Gradually, I came to see that no matter what experiences happened, nothing

could ever really happen to me, as I existed in something bigger than me,

the Big Me! I appreciated the experiences. They help in the unfolding and

the unwinding. Then, one day the "Big Me" swallowed me. And I saw that I

was the Big Me! I had always been the Big Me! I saw that there was no

bigness or smallness. There was only unspeakable and silent Me-Ness. Totally

full of itself and completely empty in every way.

Love

Harsha

May 29, 2000

Hi Harsha,

>When I was around 21-22, one time I woke up but only in the pure mental

>body. I was the mind. There were thoughts, there was memory, feelings, and

>there was the sense of personality. Everything was there but the body was

>totally missing. I could not see or hear or feel any physical sensations. No

>hands, no feet, no face, no heart, no brain, nothing, no body at all! I

>could experience thoughts and emotions like fear and uncertainty in the

>mind. I had had many experiences but this was something quite different. I

>was not in a Samadhi or a high meditative state. I was awake simply as mind

>without a body.

That sounds like what happened to me sometime early in high school, except

that it didn't seem frightening. I knew my body was asleep and I was

inside my head... as if to dream, but there was nothing going on and I was

fully conscious. It was boring. So I began to see if I could make

something appear and make something happen... and sure enough, it worked.

After that, the same thing happened from time to time... and I had a lot

of fun making my own dreams, usually something romantic... Sometimes

something more like a dream would begin to interfere... and I had to fight

to keep control... to make things happen as I intended. The "dream stuff"

is very real... it's what you make things out of in that state.

I didn't have your experience with meditation, so I was in my 20s before I

realized that my "conscious dream" state might have some use besides just

having a good time. ) I wondered what it would be like to pray in that

state. All I had to do was figure out how to get there on purpose, instead

of waiting for it to just happen some night. And since I already knew that

such a state was possible, it wasn't too hard. I just had to learn to let

the body go to sleep while I stayed awake. As I was learning it, some of

the things I'd read suddenly began to make sense to me... and I began to

think that the conscious interior state was what the books were talking

about. And then the books helped me. When I was having trouble because of

sounds and lights, I remembered that the Gita says:

>The tortoise draws in his legs;

>The seer draws in his senses.

So I just thought of pulling in my senses like a turtle... and it worked!

In recent years I've come to think that I probably learned Dream Yoga in

another life... and it spontaneously returned. But that's how I learned

meditation. And it's the way I teach interior meditation... learning to

put the body to sleep and stay awake... and then also put the emotional

body to sleep and rise above it... and then the intellectual mind and rise

above that.

> I started panicking and thought I was dead and in Bardos or

>something.

I guess it is a bardo... the bardo of the dream-state?

> I was remembering my mantra and my teacher. It was a very

>bizarre situation. After a while, I don't know how, it ended, and my mind

>went back to sleep. When I woke up I was again body/mind!

I think I didn't know enough to be scared! )) I just thought it was

boring with nothing happening, so I made something happen. )

>Next day, I went to my teacher and told him about it and said it was a

>little scary. He laughed and said, "Enjoy these experiences. Enjoy, enjoy."

>At first, I thought my teacher was a little funny dismissing such a

>frightening experience as something to enjoy. Later, I thought that perhaps

>he did not wish to pamper me or have me dwell on any particular experience.

>Gradually, I came to see that no matter what experiences happened, nothing

>could ever really happen to me, as I existed in something bigger than me,

>the Big Me! I appreciated the experiences. They help in the unfolding and

>the unwinding. Then, one day the "Big Me" swallowed me. And I saw that I

>was the Big Me! I had always been the Big Me! I saw that there was no

>bigness or smallness. There was only unspeakable and silent Me-Ness. Totally

>full of itself and completely empty in every way.

Probably if it happens now, you don't even notice anything unusual...

you're just in a meditative state and you meditate.

Love,

Dharma

May 30, 2000

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Dharma <fisher1

Monday, May 29, 2000 9:36 PM

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