Enneagram URL & tests for

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Thursday, June 08, 2000 6:18 AM

Enneagram URL

 

 

 

On Wed, 7 Jun 2000 15:33:49 Gloria Lee wrote:

>Thanks for sharing the tip with pasting URL's..I'll remember that one

>for when that problem sometimes happens to me.

 

Yeah, it happens all the time.

I don't know why some browsers don't take all links,

I'll ask around with some more knowledgeable friends.

 

I forgot about copying pasteing when I first asked you to repost the URL I'm

afraid...

>Did you see yourself as sorta more one

>type than another? I think it has some good suggestions for specific

meditations to

>address one's weaker abilities, or even use them in beneficial ways. I am

always

>needing to find balance..it's my like main issue this lifetime.

 

I believe finding balance and peace of mind / soul

is a main issue in almost everyone's life time.

 

I have heard of the enneagram and the Brigg's Indicator

personality types before and read a teensy bit about

them.

(I also suspect since the enneagram is patented (or

something like that) there are no online tests

to find out what type you are closest to or ? )

 

One useful thing about the enneagram is that it describes personality types and

then

both the positive and the negative ends of the spectra for those traits.

 

Both the enneagram and Brigg's seem to be very complex

theories of personality type and I can really see

their usefulness in psychological terms.

 

As always when I read these things I feel I recognize

many types in my own personality, so I usually read

several and forget which one I felt closest

to, 4 ? 6 ? 9 ? 8 ? 1 ? I get confused.

Is there a personality type for that ? 5 ?

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda.

 

Dear Amanda,

 

Actually, some short tests are available on the web.. one needs to understand

that

these are "indicators" not rigidly restricted boundaries. Most people will of

course

recognize that they also share some qualities of the other types. No one is

"just

that only"... it's a preference, like being right-handed doesn't mean you can't

even

use your left hand.

 

The usefulness of this sort of information is that it's very applicable to

understanding how one best learns and processes ideas... and then communicates.

For

example, being an INFP myself...I seem to have no patience for very heavy

rational

thinking, the detailed, logical step by step learning...and the frustration I

often

experience with more "thinker" types I used to feel it was with "them"..but now

I

realize it's a an inner frustration with myself..with my own inability to

express

myself back that way and speak their language. Or I'll drop some intuition or

intuition on them and get frustrated if they don't get it. Then I have to use

what is

my weaker skill, it's like speaking a second language. This is then seen as not

so

much a problem with the person as a communication problem..we need to find a

common

language to understand one another. So recognizing types can be helpful.. That's

a

vastly over-simplified example, but you see how it can be useful? Here's the

sites

for anyone curious. ~~Glo

 

http://elvis.rowan.edu/~cusumano/MBTest.html Meyers-Briggs short test (70

questions) online

 

 

http://pigment.lcs.mit.edu:8080/~becca/enneagram/rheti/ Enneagram test also

short.

[Guest guest]

Hi Gloria,

this is way cool! I took the MB test, and am an INFP (healer)

too. I cried a bit when I read the description. I guess it makes

sense to move from physics into psychology, huh? thanks for the links.

(off to do the enneagram test now.) I wonder why they pay me here?

They're probably wondering too...

Love, Mark

Gloria Lee wrote:

Dear Amanda,

Actually, some short tests are available on the

web.. one needs to understand that these are "indicators" not rigidly

restricted boundaries. Most people will of course recognize that they also

share some qualities of the other types. No one is "just that only"...

it's a preference, like being right-handed doesn't mean you can't even

use your left hand.

The usefulness of this sort of information is that it's very applicable

to

understanding how one best learns and processes ideas... and then

communicates. For example, being an INFP myself...I seem to have

no patience for very heavy rational thinking, the detailed, logical step

by step learning...and the frustration I often experience with more "thinker"

types I used to feel it was with "them"..but now I realize it's a an inner

frustration with myself..with my own inability to express myself back that

way and speak their language. Or I'll drop some intuition or intuition

on them and get frustrated if they don't get it. Then I have to use what

is

my weaker skill, it's like speaking a second language. This is

then seen as not so much a problem with the person as a communication problem..we

need to find a common language to understand one another. So recognizing

types can be helpful.. That's a vastly over-simplified example, but you

see how it can be useful? Here's the sites for anyone curious. ~~Glo

http://elvis.rowan.edu/~cusumano/MBTest.html

Meyers-Briggs short test (70

questions) online

http://pigment.lcs.mit.edu:8080/~becca/enneagram/rheti/

Enneagram test also short.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

>From the enneagram, I appear to be a 4, with a strong second place

showing in 2. Got strong negative scores for 1 and 9. Quite

interesting to this ego... There are two (maybe more?) tests on the

enneagram site. I found the graded one much more satisfying to take.

The either/or choices in the simpler one were all so hard to decide

between. Maybe my type has changed a lot during this life, so the

questions phrased like "you have been..." were hard. Hmmm... Maybe I

just have had a pretty poor handle on my personality. Who am I, anyway?

 

Love, Mark

 

Mark Otter wrote:

> Hi Gloria,

>

> this is way cool! I took the MB test, and am an INFP (healer) too. I

> cried a bit when I read the description. I guess it makes sense to

> move from physics into psychology, huh? thanks for the links. (off

> to do the enneagram test now.) I wonder why they pay me here?

> They're probably wondering too...

>

> Love, Mark

>

> Gloria Lee wrote:

> Dear Amanda,

>

>> Actually, some short tests are available on the web.. one needs to

>> understand that these are "indicators" not rigidly restricted

>> boundaries. Most people will of course recognize that they also

>> share some qualities of the other types. No one is "just that

>> only"... it's a preference, like being right-handed doesn't mean you

>> can't even use your left hand.

>>

>> The usefulness of this sort of information is that it's very

>> applicable to

>> understanding how one best learns and processes ideas... and then

>> communicates. For example, being an INFP myself...I seem to have no

>> patience for very heavy rational thinking, the detailed, logical

>> step by step learning...and the frustration I often experience with

>> more "thinker" types I used to feel it was with "them"..but now I

>> realize it's a an inner frustration with myself..with my own

>> inability to express myself back that way and speak their language.

>> Or I'll drop some intuition or intuition on them and get frustrated

>> if they don't get it. Then I have to use what is

>> my weaker skill, it's like speaking a second language. This is then

>> seen as not so much a problem with the person as a communication

>> problem..we need to find a common language to understand one

>> another. So recognizing types can be helpful.. That's a vastly

>> over-simplified example, but you see how it can be useful? Here's

>> the sites for anyone curious. ~~Glo

>>

>> http://elvis.rowan.edu/~cusumano/MBTest.html Meyers-Briggs short

>> test (70

>> questions) online

>>

>>

>> http://pigment.lcs.mit.edu:8080/~becca/enneagram/rheti/ Enneagram

>> test also short.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gloria,

 

this is way cool! I took the MB test, and am an INFP (healer) too. I

cried a bit when I read the description. I guess it makes sense to move

from physics into psychology, huh? thanks for the links. (off to do

the enneagram test now.) I wonder why they pay me here? They're

probably wondering too...

 

Love, Mark

 

AHA!! Do you know that just the fact you took the test at all is an indicator?

Yes,

and you are a rare bird too, tho most of us already realized that about you.

There is

a difference in the distribution of the occurence of these types, with INFP

showing

up as only about 2% of the population, the least of any...I forget the exact

number,

of course, he, he..no memory for details.

 

Anyway, the commonality with science and psychology is that you are an

investigative

type, like a detective looking for clues..to whatever. With Psych, it's clues to

behavior or understanding, finding the root of the person's difficulty. You see

the

connection? You would be a natural for going into psych.

 

A while back, a bunch on NDS took the test and the result was a majority out of

the

15 or so taking it were INFP's... birds of a feather thing happening there.

 

Glo

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

>From the enneagram, I appear to be a 4, with a strong second place

showing in 2. Got strong negative scores for 1 and 9. Quite

interesting to this ego... There are two (maybe more?) tests on the

enneagram site. I found the graded one much more satisfying to take.

The either/or choices in the simpler one were all so hard to decide

between. Maybe my type has changed a lot during this life, so the

questions phrased like "you have been..." were hard. Hmmm... Maybe I

just have had a pretty poor handle on my personality. Who am I, anyway?

 

Love, Mark

 

Yeah, well the enneagram info is new to me.. I am not as familiar with it..but

the

original article I posted was showing the correlation of the two tests.. On the

first

test, I was in order 4, 9, 2..then on the second test the 9 beat the 4..so just

with

a sample of two here..you see how we both came out with 4 and 2 showing up. You

do

seem to be going thru a life transition..the info is just food for thought.

 

Gloria

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg,

 

Stony Brook, bioengineering, which is not yet a department, but we hope

soon.

 

love, Mark

 

Greg Goode wrote:

> Mark,

>

> Do you work at one of the SUNY Universities? Which department?

>

> Love,

>

> --Greg

[Guest guest]

I looked pretty closely at the SUNY SB's psych dept. many years ago. It

was good in cognitive psych at the time (1977 or so). It's really one of

the best SUNY's, ?no? Where is it located?

 

--Greg

 

At 03:41 PM 6/8/00 -0400, Mark Otter wrote:

>Hi Greg,

>

>Stony Brook, bioengineering, which is not yet a department, but we hope

>soon.

>

>love, Mark

>

>Greg Goode wrote:

>

>> Mark,

>>

>> Do you work at one of the SUNY Universities? Which department?

>>

>> Love,

>>

>> --Greg

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg,

 

Stony Brook is close to the north shore of Long Island, about half-way

out. The University is one of the nations highest ranked research

universities (#2 in a recent ranking of public institutions). The

research enterprise and graduate offerings are top notch, and the

University President has a very strong committment to undergraduate

education (She headed the Boyer commission on reinventing undergraduate

education at premier research universities), so I think SUNY Stony Brook

is a great place to be. I don't know all that much about the psychology

department other than it is one of the larger departments here and they

don't seem to have any offerings in the transpersonal psychology field,

which is what I plan to pursue. I'm taking PSY 103, the freshman level

intro course now, which is kind of a hoot. I was sitting in class the

first evening, thinking how young the students were and when the

instructor walked in, I said to myself "She's SO YOUNG!!!" It's odd to

be a freshman again, but I think of it as a second childhood. Where did

you get your degree, and how was it?

 

Love, Mark

 

Greg Goode wrote:

> I looked pretty closely at the SUNY SB's psych dept. many years ago.

> It

> was good in cognitive psych at the time (1977 or so). It's really one

> of

> the best SUNY's, ?no? Where is it located?

>

> --Greg

>

> At 03:41 PM 6/8/00 -0400, Mark Otter wrote:

> >Hi Greg,

> >

> >Stony Brook, bioengineering, which is not yet a department, but we

> hope

> >soon.

> >

> >love, Mark

> >

> >Greg Goode wrote:

> >

> >> Mark,

> >>

> >> Do you work at one of the SUNY Universities? Which department?

> >>

> >> Love,

> >>

> >> --Greg

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Mark,

 

Yes, I had the feeling Stonybrook was a solid institution. Glad you're

there. For the BA, I majored in Psych at Cal State Long Beach, which is

not that distinguished, but was quite biological and behavioristic about

psychology. Later, I went to University of Rochester, in upstate NY, for

grad school in philosophy, as well as one year at the Universitaet zu Koeln

in Germany for dissertation research. Rochester was a nice school, I had

friends, lots of stipends, etc. But on the subject-matter side, it was

very technical and analytical, and for me didn't really address the reasons

I liked philosophy - the big, soulful questions, stuff like What is Truth,

Beauty, Goodness, etc. But I did get to work a lot on something that

interested me -- my dissertation was on the rationality of time preference.

Time preference is where, between two objects A and B, you prefer A to B

only because A is available sooner. If they were both available now, you'd

choose B.

 

As for jobs -- when I was in the academic job market, it was very tough in

the humanities. Many of my friends went from job-to-job, one-year

positions, had to teach 7 preparations a year, and had to try to publish

stuff as well. For me, the computer field opened up so I went in that

direction. I still keep in touch with the Department once in a while. I'm

very glad to have studied there - one seminar I took was very very

transformational for me - in George Berkeley. I must say that after that,

the physical world just disappeared for me.

 

Are you a student, grad student, prof, post-doc?

 

--Greg

 

 

At 04:16 PM 6/8/00 -0400, Mark Otter wrote:

>Hi Greg,

>

>Stony Brook is close to the north shore of Long Island, about half-way

>out. The University is one of the nations highest ranked research

>universities (#2 in a recent ranking of public institutions). The

>research enterprise and graduate offerings are top notch, and the

>University President has a very strong committment to undergraduate

>education (She headed the Boyer commission on reinventing undergraduate

>education at premier research universities), so I think SUNY Stony Brook

>is a great place to be. I don't know all that much about the psychology

>department other than it is one of the larger departments here and they

>don't seem to have any offerings in the transpersonal psychology field,

>which is what I plan to pursue. I'm taking PSY 103, the freshman level

>intro course now, which is kind of a hoot. I was sitting in class the

>first evening, thinking how young the students were and when the

>instructor walked in, I said to myself "She's SO YOUNG!!!" It's odd to

>be a freshman again, but I think of it as a second childhood. Where did

>you get your degree, and how was it?

[Guest guest]

Hi Greg,

 

The Berkeley seminar sounds amazing. You've talked about it here

before, I think, and I'd love to hear more. I am an assistant

professor, and have recently decided to leave my tenure track

appointment in Bioengineering as of September, 2001, to pursue

transpersonal psychology. In the mean time, I am developing an

undergrad laboratory course for the department and documenting the other

courses I've developed (an undergrad bioelectricity/problem solving

course, a first year grad course combining tissue and organ physiology

with fuzzy logic and neural networks, and a course I collaborated with a

graduate student to create - an advanced graduate course on

bioengineering applications of neural networks.) My research has mostly

been in orthopaedics, with a little bit in cardiology diagnosis. It's

been challenging and fun, but my heart is in helping people relax and

see that life is an adventure, not a trial/tribulation, something I have

been only recently discovering.

 

Love, Mark

 

Greg Goode wrote:

>

> - one seminar I took was very very

> transformational for me - in George Berkeley. I must say that after

> that,

> the physical world just disappeared for me.

>

> Are you a student, grad student, prof, post-doc?

>

> --Greg

>