[NondualitySalon] Free Will or Destiny?

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Dear Larry et al.,

 

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LBIDD

 

Your annoyance is more interesting than the question of free will.

Enjoy that!

 

Larry

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KKT: Many thanks to everybody

who answered to my question.

 

Larry said, "Your annoyance is more

interesting than the question", and

"ENJOY THAT". That sounds great :-))

I think this is the philosophy of the

Bhagavad Gita about action (Karma Yoga)

"Do but don't mind about the result"

This is an optimistic way of life :-))

 

My confusion about free will is that:

 

(1) In the absolute plane, "free will

is only an illusion". Because the

ego or the doer is only an illusion,

so is free will which is the expression

of the ego. This is the sense of a

COMPLETE SURRENDERING.

 

(2) But in a relative plane, free will

is not quite an illusion, we need

free will (Oh yes, the world is not

an illusion, are bills illusions? :-))

Many religions and spiritual paths

accept free will, at least in the

beginning. When you practice,

when you try to ameliorate yourself,

it means you have to use free will.

And here is the problem.

Where there is free will, there is ego,

there is the doer. And where there

is ego, there is conflict and therefore

suffering. The loop is complete :-))

 

So how to "conciliate" free will and

surrendering? Where is the edge,

the limit between the two?

 

BTW, I think in Gurdjieff's the Fourth

Way, one only "expands" one's own

ego without arriving to have the "real"

free will as he said. Any comment?

 

Thanks very much.

 

Peace,

 

KKT