Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 umbada wrote: > I to the methods given by Ramana and > Nisargadatta. However, because they discovered them and had > bestowed upon them the Grace which would allow them to > teach the methods to the world, and to teach them simply by > their presence, doesn't mean they hold an exclusive primary > knowledge of those methods, leaving others to hold a > secondary knowledge. > > Very many can go back to childhood and recall a time when > they asked a question similar to 'Who am I?'. That too is a > Grace bestowed upon an individual. It may not lead to a > flowering on the order of Ramana, or a facility with words > on the order of Nisargadatta, but it can be valued, > contemplated, meditated upon, and one can in time determine > that it is a teaching or method on the order of what Sages > teach. > > It doesn't automatically mean that a person who discovers > the inquiry independently is as spiritually developed, as > smart, wise, charismatic, intelligent, insightful, useful, > powerful, beautiful, graceful, impactful as a Sage. > > It only means they independently discovered the key to the > Self. That independent discovery is going to be as powerful > than anything a Sage says or is, because it is a direct > teaching. It's direct knowledge. It is the Sage. > > I have experienced that is was Rajneesh (Osho) and Adi Da > (Da Free John) who cleared the garbage away so that I could > seriously re-visit my childhood experiences in which > inquiry was discovered and mantras were given. Those men > were the garbage men. Ramana and Nisargadatta were already > at my heart. They were what I already was. Rajneesh and Adi > Da showed me that. In current days, as a more refined > 'garbage' constantly imposes itself, I have found that the > people on the lists have replaced Rajneesh and Adi Da. Gene > Poole has made a great effort, publicly and privately, in > that regard. > > grateful to everyone and everything, > > Jerry > > -- Hello Jerry and everyone. Just came back into town and will try to catch up with some of the e-mail tomorrow. Enjoyed reading your thoughts Jerry as always. I remember Jerry writing sometime ago that when he was young he thought something like, "no matter what the sages say, I am still me or still will be me ........" Dan has said something to the effect that, "Hold no head above your own." Profound understanding, it seems to me. Once when I was 13 or so and sitting in the verandah quietly, I had a clear sense of the past. Then a strong stream of thoughts arose again and again and I thought it was my obligation to state clearly that if one ever has to choose between a guru (spiritual teacher) and the truth, one should always choose what one feels deeply as the truth, regardless of who the teacher is. I remember the arising of those thoughts spontaneously and with an amazing force to indicate clearly that a genuine teacher is not separate from the truth and can therefore can impart such a teaching. So when Dan says, "Hold no head above your own", it makes perfect sense. Love to all Harsha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2000 Report Share Posted July 10, 2000 Harsha wrote: > snip I remember the arising of those thoughts spontaneously and with an amazing force to indicate clearly that a genuine teacher is not separate from the truth and can therefore can impart such a teaching. So when Dan says, "Hold no head above your own", it makes perfect sense. > > Love to all > Harsha snip Dear Harsha, so glad to hear your voice once again! You are making my heart sing! A while ago I was studying chi gong. The teacher is/was a fellow from China who studied Tibetan sorcery. One day at a workshop he gave he started talking about 'visualising' your teacher above your head. I had brought, as a small gift for him, a yellow rubber 'shiva' with a happy face head. While he was being so serious and talking about this visualization, I picked up the 'shiva' and held it above my head! Cracked everyone up! No, my friend, there is no one to hold above or to worship. We are each and everyone of us the sum of the whole of the universe. This is the unmitigated truth. Ah yes! In all things high and all things low, we are the Gusto of God! HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! Peace - See You Soon - Michael Hey! That was pretty good. (the above) Gonna post it on nds. Gusto of God! Phew! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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