[NondualitySalon] J. Krishnamurti

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Dear everybody,

 

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uarelove (Self Inquiry)

 

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I was also quoting J Krishnamurti

previously. However I reflected on that also

as J Krishnamurti had also made it clear

that not a single human being had been freed

by applying his teachings.

 

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--uarelove

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KKT: JK in the last few years of

his life often said that after nearly 60

years of talks NOBODY has changed! :-))

 

But in the book "J.Krishnamurti as I Knew Him"

by Susunaga Weeraperuma, he said something

different:

 

One day I was so depressed that I visited K and blurted out that the

people interested in his teachings were really getting nowhere . There

was a touch of self-pity in my words: "I have resigned myself to the

probability that the radical inward transformation, about which you talk

so much, may never take place in me during my present lifetime . I don't

know whether there is an afterlife . Perhaps I might have better luck in

a future life . You have preached for so many years but hardly anyone

has experienced a total mutation of the psyche . I am of course not

holding you responsible for our failures. But isn't it sad and frustrating

for you that all your efforts have been in vain in the sense that no one

so far has found enlightenment?"

 

Thereupon K looked at me in a grave manner and corrected one of my

statements: "Sir, it is not true that none has radically changed."

 

K then described two instances of psychological mutation: 'I had gone

into retreat in North India amidst the lovely mountains. Everyday a

sannyasin walked past the house where I was staying. We became

good friends. I think he lived somewhere high up in the mountains.

During the mornings he walked down the footpath to the valley and

returned to his cave later. One day I questioned the sannyasin as

to the reason why he was returning to the cave . He answered:

"To remain silent."

 

He was asked: "Is there silence if your mind is chattering?" The

question shocked his mind. He saw something very clearly . All

chattering stopped and he was completely changed.'

 

With a bewitching smile, K added: "And instead of going to the

cave he walked into the valley below where the people live".

 

In the aforementioned case, it is doubtful whether K was personally

responsible for the cessation of the sannyasin's thought process.

Did it not take place rather because the sannyasin himself happened

to realize a great truth? Although many of us have repeatedly heard

K explain that the chattering of the mind is the main obstacle to silence,

why then are our wretched minds still addicted to chattering? Surely

we have only ourselves to blame for our psychologically enslaved state .

 

K proceeded to describe the second instance of total liberation in his

own words: 'After seeing off a friend at a railway station, I was returning

home . A stranger asked: "Shall I walk with you ?"

 

"You may," was my reply .

 

Next he lit a cigarette and was enjoying it.

 

"Smoking is a stupid habit," he suddenly said.

 

"Perhaps it is," was my reply .

 

The man then threw away his cigarette and trampled it. At that moment

he became free not only of smoking but of all conditioning. The mind

was fundamentally transformed.'

 

 

Other interesting excerpts from the book

"As the River Joins the Ocean - Reflections

About J. Krishnamurti" by G.Narayan:

 

The next day I went to see Krishnamurti, and among several things,

I asked him about the Buddha and the sangha [the Buddhist monastic

order]. According to legend and tradition, there were sixty-three

disciples of the Buddha who were enlightened during the Buddha's

lifetime . Krishnamurti said that there were not so many but only two

or three who may have attained enlightenment.

 

[...]

 

Once Achyutji told me of an incident that happened in Rajghat. There

was a Jain muni [an ascetic monk who follows the strict teachings

of Jainism, a religion that took root in India around the same time as

Buddhism] who had undergone many austerities, including plucking

the hair of his head from its roots. He had lived this austere and ascetic

life in search of God and Truth. Many years had gone into this sadhana

[earnest and prolonged spiritual effort], and he was getting on in years,

having lived a righteous life for many years. He had no other purpose

in life except to find Truth and God. Someone spoke to him about

Krishnamurti, and so he came to Rajghat. The monk prostrated himself

before Krishnamurti [a traditional way in India of showing one's highest

regard]. Achyutji arranged an interview with Krishnamurti . As the monk

only knew Hindi, Achyutji became the translator.

 

After a brief discussion, the monk reached a state of high energy . As

the discussion went on, the monk reached a state of ananda [spiritual

ecstasy] and tears rolled down his cheeks. And as he bent in front of

Krishnaji, his tears touched Krishnaji's feet. He was grateful for the

great experience . The monk said he owed it to Krishnamurti. He added

that the experience was due to Krishnaji's grace, presence and blessing

and he was not sure if he would have that state of bliss again. He would

like to have it permanently as part of his being through Krishnamurti's

blessings and awaited an answer.

 

Krishnaji asked him as to who was asking this question; was it the one

who wanted to grab the experience ?

 

Then the monk went again into a state of samadhi [absorption of the self

in the infinite, and ananda. He sat quietly for some time .

 

The monk recognized that it was his ego that wanted the permanence

of this experience and understood that experiencing is only possible

when the ego is absent. It was a moment of moksha [liberation from

the cycle of birth and rebirth after the death of one's last bodily existence

into absorption in the infinite] that could not be recalled. The monk was

quick to recognize this; he got up, prostrated before Krishnaji and left

the room accompanied by Achyutji who was the witness to the truth

and the transmission of what had happened between Krishnaji and

the monk.

 

Achyutji added that though he was present, he was not fortunate to

experience the bliss that the monk went through.

 

"Probably," said Achyutji, "the current passed through Krishnamurti

and the blessed monk."

 

 

Cheers :-)

 

KKT