death

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Last night I asked Greg (and all of you) if you'd help me see how human

death is perceived from this understanding, spoken of here, as nondual.

I suppose that asking to explore what death means from a nondual

perspective, appears as a bit of an oxymoron.

 

So, I'm entering an inquiry here, with the awareness that this is tricky

territory in terms of arriving at agreement of perspectives, as well as

it being fundamentally a mute question, from the perspective that self

is a bounded construct, which as David so clearly articulated, does not

appear when the vector (nagual) shifts.

 

As I more and more find spans of space without objects, I recognize the

proximity of this collapse of *thingness* of self. When I underwent the

profound shock of sitting with my mother's dead body, it was quite

evident that no one was there. What is not as evident for me is the

understanding that no one is here when our bodies are alive. If no one

is here, then no one dies. Does this negate concepts of karma or

dimentional lifetimes?

 

So, while most traditions have some teachings about the transition of

soul beyond the body, I don't know what an Advaitan understanding of

this is. Is death merely a return of form to the Void? Is there any

essential soulness of being which remains within Consciousness?

 

I sense these are naive questions, yet they move in me to ask them.

 

Christiana

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Christiana Duranczyk wrote:

 

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>As I more and more find spans of space without objects, I recognize the

> proximity of this collapse of *thingness* of self. When I underwent the

> profound shock of sitting with my mother's dead body, it was quite

> evident that no one was there. What is not as evident for me is the

> understanding that no one is here when our bodies are alive. If no one

> is here, then no one dies. Does this negate concepts of karma or

> dimentional lifetimes?

>

 

I just sat down and have not read all the posts from yesterday eveningand this

morning. This is the first I have read.

 

When my father died, we put him back into his bed, and after

all the commotion of the coroner and police and paramedics

was over, we each took a turn alone with him. What I found

was that as I focussed intently on his body, I, like you, felt

his absence but when I relaxed and went inward, he was

there. He was very present in the room but most definitely

not in his body. I was trying to stuff in back into the dead

flesh. My husband was trying to help him up when he died.

He said he felt the life leave his body and at that very moment

I felt a tremendous relief. I felt the same thing when my mother

died. With her I was holding her hand and holding her in myself

as strongly as I could. There was such a sense of relief and joy

as the life left her body and the room became very light. I was

looking at her body and the words landed in my mind...."Why

look for the living among the dead?" She was there but not in

the confines of the body any more.

 

Marcia

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Death or the emanations of It`s Proximity Has Been a Magnificent

Guru to me

in the Form of End Stage Renal Failure

It`s presance Keeps a Lucid Vitality in this life

And gifts me with the Quetion :

"Will it Pass Thru the Viel?"

By limiting me to a short physical leash Hemodialysis

Enforces smaller Life parameters a Greater depth

David~G*j*?

NYCity Sadhu

ganesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

G*j*?-David

ganesh

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Thank you *all* for such rich movement around my question.

 

Thank you Jan for responding. It is good to hear your voice here again.

Your words are sobering and ring clearly.

 

I don't know, however, that I align with your assessment that

"unconditional love" leads to enmeshment and the tolerance of

conditions. Perhaps we speak from a different understanding of "UL". UL,

as I know it, engenders no movement. It shows up as awareness and flow.

By it's very nature, there is no someone being moved to tolerate. It

shows up when the vessel is empty. I know it as unmediated fire.

 

Thank you Dan for standing with me and for your seamless capacity for

deconstruction. You and Gene both do this so well. The layers were

peeled back.

 

I have printed out all of the responses. I am sitting with their flavor.

 

Love,

Christiana