Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 Prayer Beads are used in many religions... what is their origin? Does anyone know? Smiles... Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 That is a very good question! I'd like to know, too! --Greg At 10:28 AM 8/14/00 -0500, Skyeryder wrote: >>>> Prayer Beads are used in many religions... what is their origin? Does anyone know? Smiles... Robert ---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 Check out http://members.ols.net/~michael/PrayerBeads.html --Jerry Greg Goode wrote: > > That is a very good question! I'd like to know, too! > > --Greg > > At 10:28 AM 8/14/00 -0500, Skyeryder wrote: > >>>> > Prayer Beads are used in many religions... what is their origin? Does > anyone know? > > Smiles... Robert -- We are the Nonduality Generation. http://www.nonduality.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 also see http://www.obcon.org/sabsrosar.html however neither of these links provides in-depth information on the origin of prayer beads, but they're interesting. Jerry umbada wrote: > > Check out > > http://members.ols.net/~michael/PrayerBeads.html > > --Jerry > > Greg Goode wrote: > > > > That is a very good question! I'd like to know, too! > > > > --Greg > > > > At 10:28 AM 8/14/00 -0500, Skyeryder wrote: > > >>>> > > Prayer Beads are used in many religions... what is their origin? Does > > anyone know? > > > > Smiles... Robert > > -- > We are the Nonduality Generation. > http://www.nonduality.com > // > -- We are the Nonduality Generation. http://www.nonduality.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 > Prayer Beads are used in many religions... what is their origin? Does anyone > know? > > Smiles... Robert One can only wonder, and speculate, Lost in the infertile desert, Eons ago, With only a few seeds in the hand One can only hesitate between planting them for food Or simply eating the few that are left. In hesitation, Turning them in one hand, Prayer and time are born, >From wanting to survive. I would like to know also. Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 Meditation is not the repetition of the word, nor the experiencing ofvision, nor the cultivating of silence. The bead and the word do quieten the chattering mind, but this is a form of self- hypnosis. You might as well take a pill. -- J. Krishnamurti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 On Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:27:09 -0700 "Mark Hovila" <hovila (AT) foxinternet (DOT) net> writes:Bruce, > I agree with Krishnamurti. I do too, that's why I posted the quotation. > His view is echoed by Dr. R.P. Kaushik (whose books are unfortunately out of print). Never heard of him, thanks for the introduction to his writing. >Dr. Kaushik said in his book Light of Exploration that mantras and similar techniques act >like drugs, in that that they inhibit the cerebral functions and stimulate the lower >functions of the brain. Quoting from page 44: >"You can only look at the fact, and only when you see the fact do the brain cells become >silent. Unless you see the fact, you live in areas of projection and fantasy, and continue >in the old conditioned mind. You cannot transcend this conditioned mind through any method, >technique, system, or wishful thinking. Amen! >The only way is to look at the fact as it is. Then >there is total silence; there is no more projection possible. But the silence which you >create through a mantra or a technique is an inhibition of certain areas of the brain and a >stimulation of certain other areas. It is a partial silence, which as a matter of fact, >looking from a broader perspective, is dullness. You can stimulate your thalamic areas and >feel that you have become very senitive--but you have also become dull, because you have >supressed the cerebral functions." Very well stated. I see some mantra-based techniques as less deadening than others. Some of them are extraordinarily well designed with the pitfalls clearly taken into account -- TM (the practice and not the highly suspect organization behind it) is excellent in this respect, since no deep meaning is assigned to the mantra and it is "recited" internally and not chanted, but as Dr. Kaushik noted, in the end "The only way is to look at the fact as it is." This doesn't mean one must never utter a mantra, chant a beautiful prayer, or finger beads, but rather that one does well to understand the nature and limitations of such activities, including the potential for drug-like habituation and escape from that which one fears most -- most often, this is "to look at the fact as it is." Thanks again, Mark. >Mark >>Meditation is not the repetition >>of the word, nor the experiencing >>ofvision, nor the cultivating of >>silence. The bead and the word >>do quieten the chattering mind, >>but this is a form of self->>hypnosis. You might as well take >>a pill. -- J. Krishnamurti http://come.to/realizationhttp://www.atman.net/realizationhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucemrg.htmhttp://www.users.uniserve.com/~samuel/brucsong.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 Hello Sri Markji and Sri Bruceji. Thanks for your very enlightening comments. You must have joined recently Mark, and if so welcome. In fact, let me welcome all the new members. Mark, I liked very much the points you raised with James post. Perhaps James will address them. This is a sangha and so there is valuable opportunity for interaction with people holding diverse views. As far as Krishnamurti's and Dr. R. P. Kaushik's views on mantras go, I believe their views to be limited and not applicable to everyone or even useful for everyone. Perhaps it is an example of how those who attempt to defy dogma and preach that "Truth is a Pathless Land" in various ways risk becoming dogmatic themselves. Kaushik's view that mantras can act like drugs is indeed correct but again only partly so and to leave it at that is misleading. Pranayama and running can also have profound effects on the mind and body similar to drugs. Still, people find them useful in one way or another. Various techniques and methods and spiritual practices are indication of the desire for freedom and are meant to create a certain mental atmosphere in which the operation of grace might become possible. Different people are attracted to a variety of practices based on their physical and psychological makeup. I wonder if either Krishnamurti or Kaushik ever seriously practiced mantra meditation fully to completion. The Truth is that Truth is indeed a Pathless Land. Love to all Harsha Mark Hovila [hovila (AT) foxinternet (DOT) net]Monday, August 14, 2000 1:27 PM Subject: Re: Prayer Beads Bruce, I agree with Krishnamurti. His view is echoed by Dr. R.P. Kaushik (whose books are unfortunately out of print). Dr. Kaushik said in his book Light of Exploration that mantras and similar techniques act like drugs, in that that they inhibit the cerebral functions and stimulate the lower functions of the brain. Quoting from page 44: "You can only look at the fact, and only when you see the fact do the brain cells become silent. Unless you see the fact, you live in areas of projection and fantasy, and continue in the old conditioned mind. You cannot transcend this conditioned mind through any method, technique, system, or wishful thinking. The only way is to look at the fact as it is. Then there is total silence; there is no more projection possible. But the silence which you create through a mantra or a technique is an inhibition of certain areas of the brain and a stimulation of certain other areas. It is a partial silence, which as a matter of fact, looking from a broader perspective, is dullness. You can stimulate your thalamic areas and feel that you have become very senitive--but you have also become dull, because you have supressed the cerebral functions." Mark Meditation is not the repetition of the word, nor the experiencing ofvision, nor the cultivating of silence. The bead and the word do quieten the chattering mind, but this is a form of self- hypnosis. You might as well take a pill. -- J. Krishnamurti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2000 Report Share Posted August 14, 2000 Quoting Bruce Morgen <editor: > Meditation is not the repetition > of the word, nor the experiencing > ofvision, nor the cultivating of > silence. The bead and the word > do quieten the chattering mind, > but this is a form of self- > hypnosis. You might as well take > a pill. -- J. Krishnamurti Virupa an Indian Maha Siddha really got disgusted and threw his mala (prayer beads) into the toilet. It is said that about this time he found out which way the mop flops. He was one of the great masters in olden times. Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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