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, Antoine Carré <carrea@v...>

wrote:

> I have been enjoying reading this book "The Science of

Enlightenment" by

> Nitin Trasi that I know to be a member of the Advaita list and

maybe this

> one as well.

>

> Here is a quote from it.

>

> "The Paradox of Spiritual Effort

>

> Why is the `succes rate` of any and all of the spiritual techniques

so

> abysmally low in practice (in spite of claims of the contrary by

their

> respective adherents)?

>

 

 

~~~May I enquire how the success rate is being measured by Mr. Tracy?

 

> Most people presume that this is because the techniques themselves

are too

> difficult, or that the entire subject too abstruse, and quite

beyond an

> average person's abilities - both physical and intellectual. But

this is

> not so. The cause is much more basic, more fundamental than that.

>

> Actually it is not very surprising that Enlightenment should occur

so

> rarely. Enlightenment, it has already been explained, is the actual

> percepttion or realisation (not belief or mere intellectual

understanding)

> that one is not separate entity. Therefore, the very persuit of

this as a

 

~~~~~Persuit is not spelled correctly.

> In fact, (though the average seeker may not see this), the very

idea that a

> 'method' or 'technique' is required for Enlightenment, reveals a

deep

> ignorance of what Enlightement is all about.

 

Most people fail to realise

> that Enlightenment is simply the _understanding_ of the situation,

and not

> a physical, mental or intellectual feat or achievement.

 

 

~~~~~This is the usual crap! What utter bullshit. Nothing original

here.

 

 

(And Liberation is

> the automatic, natural result of Enlightenment.) And thus it is

that the

> seeker makes a very fundamental error right at the point where he

begins

> the search - he begins with the presumption that he his a separate

entity -

> and the battle is lost before it is even begun!

 

~~~~~Total and utter crapola!! The stench is soooooo bad!

>

> For as long as it is the entity which wishes to eliminate itself, it

> cannot. And as long as there is any 'wishing' or any question of

> 'achievement', the entity is involved, and there can be

no 'success' in the

> endeavour. By no amount of mental gymnastics or contortionism can

the

> entity acieve its own dissolution.

 

 

~~~~~~But is this reasoning any different than mental gymnastics?

 

>

> It is only when there is a totally different type of seing or

perception,

> when there is no 'wish' to change, when there remains no question of

> 'achievement' or 'success', that it is seen very clearly that

_there really

> never was an entity ever_."

 

 

~~~~~~Crap, crap, and more crap! How do you guys put up with this

mindlessly monolithic shit being paraded as the truth?

 

~~~~~I am eternally yours in Truth, Love, Peace and crap. Wake up and

smell the crap. Then you might have a chance at Truth Love and Peace.

 

TLP-C

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:17:33 Mark Otter wrote:

>How strange. The natives seem restless. note to Self: must have them

>put down. Perhaps I can get Anna to yell at them.

 

:) Yes, it must be the moon or something.

>now stop responding to my drivel. Harsha is gonna be mad when he gets

>back! You know how fierce he can be!

 

Well, he doesn't need to be fierce b/c he has two moderators that have an

abnormally high midi cloridian count and that tends to make ppl walking flame

throwers. So this'll be a tad less subtle than what he says:

 

No one needs to feel pressed out of the list, politically incorrect or

otherwise. :)

On the whole, many ppl would tend to view non duality as politically incorrect.

 

Antoine writes so clearly everyone can understand what he says no matter a few

spelling mistakes.

 

 

Love,

 

Amanda (can flame in 5 languages)

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi mumble cat,

 

What's a high midi chloridian count, and how do I go about getting one?

Being a human flame thrower sounds like fun! (I enjoy Kripalu whenever

I can...) (go ahead and ask if you don't know what I am babbling

about. It's a cute story. (I think).) Ask Mary Bianco. She may have a

different slant from mine, seeing as how I enjoy Kripalu so much in her

presence. (Her divine presence that is)

 

Love, Mark

 

mumble cat wrote:

>

>

>

> On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 18:17:33 Mark Otter wrote:

>

> >How strange. The natives seem restless. note to Self: must have

> them

> >put down. Perhaps I can get Anna to yell at them.

>

> :) Yes, it must be the moon or something.

>

> >now stop responding to my drivel. Harsha is gonna be mad when he

> gets

> >back! You know how fierce he can be!

>

> Well, he doesn't need to be fierce b/c he has two moderators that have

> an abnormally high midi cloridian count and that tends to make ppl

> walking flame throwers. So this'll be a tad less subtle than what he

> says:

>

> No one needs to feel pressed out of the list, politically incorrect

> or otherwise. :)

> On the whole, many ppl would tend to view non duality as politically

> incorrect.

>

> Antoine writes so clearly everyone can understand what he says no

> matter a few spelling mistakes.

>

>

> Love,

>

> Amanda (can flame in 5 languages)

>

>

>

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