Is Papaji saying his Messengers are false teachers?

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Perhaps comical, perhaps sad, but most certainly beautifully funny! Why

should we even bother to analyze this? Spiritual circuses are dime a dozen.

Is it not enough that they entertain?

 

Love

Harsha

 

 

jabba [jabba_w]

Monday, September 04, 2000 9:59 AM

NondualitySalon

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Is Papaji saying his Messengers are false

teachers?

 

I'm sure some of you have seen them before but they surprise me

still.

I am not too

familiar with the collected works of Papaji. Still, the question

remains:

 

Is Papaji saying his Messengers are false teachers?

 

I'm throwing this question out to the community of Advaitins.

 

 

Messages uarelove

11/16/99 5:47 am Message 551 of 647

 

passages from nothing ever happened the

biography of papaji:

 

david godman: you used to give experiences to a lot of

people. why did you do it if you knew that the effect

would not be permanent?

 

papaji: i did it to get rid of the leeches that were

sticking to me, never allowing me to rest or be by

myself. it was a very good way of getting rid of all

these leeches in a polite way. i knew that in doing

this i was giving lollipops to the ignorant and

innocent, but this is what these people wanted. when i

tried to give $100 bills to them, they rejected them.

they thought that they were just pieces of paper. so,

i gave lollipops instead.

 

david: many of the people you gave lollipops to left

lucknow thinking they were enlightened. does the fact

that they accepted the lollipop and left indicate that

they were not worthy to recieve the $100 bills?

 

papaji: if one is not a holy person, one is not worthy

to recieve the real teaching. many people think that

hey have attained the final state of full and complete

liberation. they have fooled themselves and they have

fooled many other people, but they have not fooled me.

a person in this state is like a fake coin. it may

look like the real thing. it can be passed around and

used by ignorant people who use it to by things with.

people who have it in their pocket can boast of having

a genuine coin, but it is not real. it has no value.

when it is finally discovered to be a fake, the person

who is circulating it, claiming that it is real, is

subject to the penalities of the law. in the spiritual

world, the law of karma catches up with all these

people who are trafficking in fake experiences. i have

never passed on the truth to those i could see were

fake coins. these people may look like gold and they

may glitter for a while like gold, but they have no

real value. there are many people who can put on a

good show and fool other people into believing that

they are enlightened. recommended book: "nothing ever

happened"

 

uarelove

 

Message 552 of 647 11/16/99 6:14 am

 

passages from nothing ever happened the

 

biography of papaji continued:

 

david: many people have heard you say, 'i have not

given my final teachings to anyone'. what are these

final teachings, and why are you not giving them out?

 

papaji: nobody is worthy to recieve them. because it

has been my experience that everybody has proved

arrogant and egotistic...i don't think that anyone is

worthy to recieive them. you have to prove holiness to

be worthy. though i speak the truth to everyone, the

truth will reject those who are not worthy of it. only

a holy person can recieve this teaching. such a person

will be worthy of it...if the worthiness is not there,

the truth wil enter the head and become intellectual

knowledge...david: papaji, many people come to satsang

and they have waking-up experiences. some of them come

back weeks or months later and say, 'i lost it'. what

is happening there? papaji: again, this is

unworthiness.