Guest guest Posted September 11, 2000 Report Share Posted September 11, 2000 In a message dated 9/11/00 2:51:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, carrea writes: << A massive study has found that patients admitted to hospital with heart trouble fare better if someone is praying for them. None of those involved were told that people were engaging in what is known as "intercessory prayer" on their behalf. >> It's from BBC news at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_485000/485268.stm >> Thanx for providing this, Antoine. l looked at this article and feel it's good to keep a couple things in mind. First, it was found that there were 11% fewer complications in the group prayed for, altho they were in the hospital the same amount of time. The article went on to note that previous studies on the effect of intercessory prayer showed no beneficial effect upon luekemia patients or those suffering from anxiety or depression. A previous study with AIDS patients apparently did show a beneficial effect in preventing infections. l also looked at the other article you cited from ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE. lt cited 5 studies involving the use of intercessory prayer and found that only 2 of the 5 showed a benefit upon patients being prayed for. l remember being at a retreat several years ago with Larry Dossey, a prominent physician/author, and his raving about the results of using intercessory prayer, then the studies he cited were later called into question because the patients knew they were being prayed for. These later studies have remedied that -- with mixed results that are far from dramatic -- but still yielding some hope in this area. l do appreciate your providing this and hope you will provide any url's you come across in the future. Based on what l've seen so far l'm not yet convinced. One can certainly ask why some intercessory prayer studies show positive results and others don't. This lack of consistency leads me to suspect some element of chance may be involved, but l hope not, because l'd like to believe it works. love, jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2000 Report Share Posted September 11, 2000 << Health 'Healing power of prayer revealed' Research shows prayer has a beneficial effect A massive study has found that patients admitted to hospital with heart trouble fare better if someone is praying for them. None of those involved were told that people were engaging in what is known as "intercessory prayer" on their behalf. >> It's from BBC news at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_485000/485268.stm If it was proven that the way we think of others as an effect on them, wonder if it would really change the way we think about each other. It's a though often to heavy to bear on ones mind, so it is simply forgotten. Yet the apparition of Satsangh communities all over the world must point to a subtle change occurring. In the times of the roman when a 1000 people or more gathered together the distraction of gladiator was needed to maintain a illusion of peace. Today millions will come to assist a the same event like in the Olympics, and the violence of the distraction to maintain peace is far more less than it was for the roman or the Greek Olympics 2000 years ago. This subtle change occurring is it what some call _civilization_? Or is it something else, even nothing? Who knows? Some pray, others purr like a cat, for others there is the reason of no reason, Love it, Antoine Other studies on "distant healing" may be found at: http://www.annals.org/issues/v132n11/full/200006060-00009.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2000 Report Share Posted September 11, 2000 > Thanx for providing this, Antoine. l looked at this article and feel it's > good to keep a couple things in mind. First, it was found that there were 11% > fewer complications in the group prayed for, altho they were in the hospital > the same amount of time. The article went on to note that previous studies on > the effect of intercessory prayer showed no beneficial effect upon luekemia > patients or those suffering from anxiety or depression. A previous study > with AIDS patients apparently did show a beneficial effect in preventing > infections. > l also > looked at the other article you cited from ANNALS OF INTERNAL MEDICINE. lt > cited 5 studies involving the use of intercessory prayer and found that only > 2 of the 5 showed a benefit upon patients being prayed for. > > l remember being at a retreat several years ago with Larry Dossey, a > prominent physician/author, and his raving about the results of using > intercessory prayer, then the studies he cited were later called into > question because the patients knew they were being prayed for. These later > studies have remedied that -- with mixed results that are far from dramatic > -- but still yielding some hope in this area. > l do > appreciate your providing this and hope you will provide any url's you come > across in the future. Based on what l've seen so far l'm not yet convinced. > One can certainly ask why some intercessory prayer studies show positive > results and others don't. This lack of consistency leads me to suspect some > element of chance may be involved, but l hope not, because l'd like to > believe it works. > love, > jerry Hope I will never convince of anything Jerry, It is good to wake up the reflexive response that wake up the reasonable or methodical doubt like you seem to express here. It could all be chance also, and reason be nothing else than a statically cloud. >From the second link: "We concur with Dossey (47) and others who have suggested that one solution to this seemingly unavoidable methodologic problem in such research is to carry out distant healing studies on nonhuman populations (such as animals or bacteria). The findings of controlled trials of distant healing (12) in nonhuman biological systems are provocative enough to merit further research." Always nice to watch a flower grow during a day, as to say that my watching it as an effect on its growth that is a secret between the flower and me Where is me? So many questions... Nice sleep, Antoine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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