Turiya/Nirvikalpa/Kundalini/Self

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I came across this old post on a. Thought you might enjoy

reading it.

 

Harsha

 

"Linda Callanan" sjhar@w...

 

Dear Jan:

 

I have understood Turiya to be the 4th stage of consciousness - the point

when Siva and Sakti merge and the 'indescribable' state to be

that of final merger beyond the state of Turiya. In your opinion is Turiya

the final

stage?

 

Linda

 

Jan: You can recognize your real nature only once. This is Self-realization

or

enlightenment. Technically, this is the fourth state, as it is the state of

pure consciousness, independent of the three other states. What happens next

could be called a gradual adaptation of mind and body. Another way of

putting it is that a process of distillation will take place and the fourth

state remains; the other ones are evaporated. Still another way is to say at

enlightenment one's true nature is obvious, but in daily life one isn't

fully aware of it; there are veils preventing one to be continuously aware

f it and the veils have to be removed. One might also say that, after

"experiencing" that consciousness is self-aware, the "old" identifications

are seen as illusory but they still are present and exert their influence.

So a process will take place, gradually disabling all identifications,

leaving pure consciousness in a living body. As the fourth state is

extremely subtle, it can only be known to the full when the other states are

absent. This is why it is said Turiya is the "final" stage. The process that

will remove subsequent veils/identifications is Kundalini; the union of

Shiva and Shakti is one station of the road.

 

Jan

 

 

Harsha: I think Jan's explanation is practical and makes sense. In advaita

vedanta Turiya is arrived at following the analysis of other three states

(sleeping, dreaming, dreamless sleep). Nirvikalpa Samadhi is another name

for

Turiya. Sahaj Samadhi can be called Turiyatitta. These distinctions are only

from the perspective of the mind however. When the mind merges in the Heart

that

is the Self, it takes everything else with it. Turiya is Turiyatitta, when

the

full import of the non dual state is realized and all distinctions including

those of spiritual states vanish entirely. Note the following I wrote

earlier.

 

 

Some say that Reality is Subjective, some say it is Objective and

some say it is both Objective and Subjective and some say it is neither.

Some say the Final State is that of Pure Existence, some say it is Only Pure

Non-Existence and some say It is beyond both Existence and

Non-Existence.

 

No matter, how clever the terminology and how subtle the

expression of the experience of the Self, it misses the mark. It is because

the Self has no point of Reference in experience being *It Self* the very

Foundation on

which All experience appears to take place..

 

Harsha

 

Also note the following:

 

I just came across a simple but beautiful passage (from Atma

Vidya...Sage of Arunachala). It states: "When you have not understood

yourself, what is the point in understanding other things? When you have

understood yourself, what else is there to understand?

 

Love to all

Harsha