Guest guest Posted September 18, 1999 Report Share Posted September 18, 1999 Harsha wrote: > > > Thanks for sharing this John. > > Ken Wilber certainly is eloquent and a master of words. One wonders whether > some one so infatuated with language and conditioned to think in terms of > past and future understands the nature of NOW, not as an intellectual > exercise but as a living Reality. > > Love to all > Harsha Oh God Harsha you hit the nail right on the head! Can I share this at Ken wilber Forums? My friends would love it! It is exactly how I have felt for 3 years about Ken. What a conglomeration of profound wisdom playing as complicated word mazes! :-) Peace, Colette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2000 Report Share Posted September 18, 2000 John Metzger [riverjohn77] Monday, September 18, 2000 7:11 AM Sri Ramana Maharshi and time But if genuine spirituality is not, as I maintain, a product of the past (or of past archetypes), then what about the great spiritual figures, East and West, who definitely existed in the past? What about the Buddhas, the Christs, the Krishnas? Are they not expressing some past capacity, some past archetypal wisdom that we have lost contact with? And in contacting our own spirituality, aren't we contacting some past potential that we have lost or denied or forgotten? Lost, perhaps; but not from the past. Let me repeat what I said above about the "true archetypes", the transcendental and transpersonal structures, as a reminder: they cannot be explained as an inheritance from the past; they are strange Attractors lying in our future, omega points that have not been collectively manifested anywhere in the past, but are nontheless available to each and every individual as structural potentials, as future structures attempting to come down, not past structures struggling to come up. The great and rare mystics of the past (from Buddha to Christ, from al-Hallaj to Lady Tsogal, from Hui-neng to Hildegard) were, in fact, ahead of their time, and are still ahead of ours. In other words, they most definitely are not figures of the past. They are figures of the future. In their spirituality, they did not tap into yesterday, they tapped into tomorrow. In their profound awareness, we do not see the setting sun, but the new dawn. They absolutely did not inherit the past, they inherited the future. from Sex, Ecology, Spirituality Ken Wilber __________________________ _________ Thanks for sharing this John. Ken Wilber certainly is eloquent and a master of words. One wonders whether some one so infatuated with language and conditioned to think in terms of past and future understands the nature of NOW, not as an intellectual exercise but as a living Reality. Love to all Harsha // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2000 Report Share Posted September 18, 2000 Harsha, I should apologize for excerpting and/or misrepresenting Ken Wilber. Having spent some time with his writings, I can only surmise that he is highly aware of his conditioning and, moreover, of the nature of Now as a living Reality... I could be wrong. Peace and thanks for moderating such a fine community, John , "Harsha" <harsha-hkl@h...> wrote: > > John Metzger [riverjohn77@e...] > Monday, September 18, 2000 7:11 AM > > Sri Ramana Maharshi and time > > But if genuine spirituality is not, as I maintain, a product of > the past (or of past archetypes), then what about the great spiritual > figures, East and West, who definitely existed in the past? What about the > Buddhas, the Christs, the Krishnas? Are they not expressing some past > capacity, some past archetypal wisdom that we have lost contact with? And > in contacting our own spirituality, aren't we contacting some past > potential that we have lost or denied or forgotten? > Lost, perhaps; but not from the past. Let me repeat what I said > above about the "true archetypes", the transcendental and transpersonal > structures, as a reminder: they cannot be explained as an inheritance from > the past; they are strange Attractors lying in our future, omega points > that have not been collectively manifested anywhere in the past, but are > nontheless available to each and every individual as structural potentials, > as future structures attempting to come down, not past structures > struggling to come up. The great and rare mystics of the past (from Buddha > to Christ, from al-Hallaj to Lady Tsogal, from Hui-neng to Hildegard) were, > in fact, ahead of their time, and are still ahead of ours. > In other words, they most definitely are not figures of the > past. They are figures of the future. In their spirituality, they did not > tap into yesterday, they tapped into tomorrow. In their profound awareness, > we do not see the setting sun, but the new dawn. They absolutely did not > inherit the past, they inherited the future. > from Sex, Ecology, Spirituality Ken Wilber > > ____________________ ______ > _________ > > Thanks for sharing this John. > > Ken Wilber certainly is eloquent and a master of words. One wonders whether > some one so infatuated with language and conditioned to think in terms of > past and future understands the nature of NOW, not as an intellectual > exercise but as a living Reality. > > Love to all > Harsha > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously > arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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