Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 In a message dated 09/21/2000 3:13:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, maread writes: << Be buddha Be jesus Be allah Be twist Life is to live That is the gist HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! Peace - now ain't that just the dumbest? - Michael >> No, I thought that was rather cute. But the HA strikes me as rather Santa Clause? <g> Annette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 Some say that all there is is the play of consciousness. This implies oneness, unity or no separation. Some may even experience this by being It. If this is indeed the truth then, no matter what, everything whatsoever is It. So is this play itself merely random or accidental or does this play iself have some sort of intelligence? Others say that there is no time that the actuality of the instantaneous present moment is timeless or eternal. In the world of words we can only describe something using these words. Words seem to be dual in nature since each word has its opposite or dual. There are no non-dual words? This is the cause of paradox because the word tree, for instance, is a poor substitute for the actuality of the tree. When dealing in mental events or thoughts paradox after paradox can be piled up into a great heap. Now when you start getting into thoughts like: before birth birth doing stuff love morality judgement fun ideas realization death after death it really gets hairy. Who is doing what with which and to whom? It seems that dropping these thoughts and merely being in the play of consciousness allows a certain freedom. If you are out of the thought process you no longer exist in a conventional/thought sense because wuth no thought no thing appears. Then how is this apprehended? Curiouser and curiouser? Enough of this. What the heck gives here? Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 Hey Victor! Love ya! Hang in there - no wait, let go! heheheheheh! Snip > Enough of this. What the heck gives here? > Victor We Do Givers and takers Makers and breakers Shakers and bakers Dreamers and makers Smokers and tokers Jokers and blokers Wakers and sleepers Jeepers and creepers Summers and winters Springers and fallers Hollers and whoopers Scoopers and poopers Geezers and sneezers Crawlers and walkers Pleasers and teasers Wheezers and breathers Silly's and saddy's Happy's and gladdy's Saner's and brainer's Madder's and maimer's Danceing and sitting Going and getting Wanting and waiting Waxing and waneing Be buddha Be jesus Be allah Be twist Life is to live That is the gist HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! Peace - now ain't that just the dumbest? - Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 Quoting Michael Read <maread: Hey Victor! Love ya! Hang in there - no wait, let go! heheheheheh! Snip > Enough of this. What the heck gives here? Victor We Do Givers and takers Makers and breakers Shakers and bakers Dreamers and makers Smokers and tokers Jokers and blokers Wakers and sleepers Jeepers and creepers Summers and winters Springers and fallers Hollers and whoopers Scoopers and poopers Geezers and sneezers Crawlers and walkers Pleasers and teasers Wheezers and breathers Silly's and saddy's Happy's and gladdy's Saner's and brainer's Madder's and maimer's Danceing and sitting Going and getting Wanting and waiting Waxing and waneing Be buddha Be jesus Be allah Be twist Life is to live That is the gist HAHAHAH and HOHOHO! Peace - now ain't that just the dumbest? - Michael ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey bob a re bop to you! Tripily tripped, tantalizing tangled, o'er the tongue for purpose of naught. Eeedly oop zee do. Aii carramba, Victor PS: Have you heard of that Aromatic Poohbah the Great Recirculator? Has the brain connected to the anal canal, then the anal canal is streched and extended to just under the nose. All thoughts are then recirculated and emitted as noxious odors --- quite naturally leading to a slowing down of the thought process. Unfortunately there is a patent pending at the Patent Office. I think a fellow named Mark instigated this patent. ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2000 Report Share Posted September 21, 2000 Quoting Jessica <ellam-ondre: VT>>> Now when you start getting into thoughts like: before birth birth doing stuff love morality judgement fun ideas realization death after death it really gets hairy. Who is doing what with which and to whom? > It seems that dropping these thoughts and merely being in the play of consciousness allows a certain freedom. If you are out of the thought process you no longer exist in a conventional/thought sense because wuth no thought no thing appears. Then how is this apprehended? Curiouser and curiouser? > Enough of this. > What the heck gives here?<<<VT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Not clear on your question, "Then how is this apprehended?" How is what apprehended? A you? A body? A world? Could you clarify? But your post brings something to mind. It goes something like this. "Before I have answered your question, your mind has formulated 10 more to ask." Osho Love, ~jessica ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi Jessica, How is the state of conscious awareness apprehended? Is this possible? If you are this conscious awareness --- what are the implications of this? Yeah, I'm known as the "Ocean of Questions". Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2000 Report Share Posted September 22, 2000 I like this line of enquiry Victor. Victor said: > > Hi Jessica, > > How is the state of conscious awareness apprehended? Are you conscious? Are you aware that you are conscious? I think we go on thinking we are going to catch something when we arive. Some say it's no thing .. so .. what gives? (like you said :-) Is this > possible? If you are this conscious awareness --- what are the > implications of this? Any you care to play as :-) I think it's to know you are not bound in your natural state to any, so can play as whatsoever you choose. > > Yeah, I'm known as the "Ocean of Questions". I think playing as questioner is part of the joyful play. > > Victor Thanks Victor, Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2000 Report Share Posted September 22, 2000 Quoting Jessica <ellam-ondre: - "Victor Torrico" <vtorrico ; <ANetofJewels > Quoting Jessica <ellam-ondre: > Hi Jessica, > How is the state of conscious awareness apprehended? Is this possible? If you are this conscious awareness --- what are the implications of this? > Yeah, I'm known as the "Ocean of Questions". > Victor > Hi again Victor, Don't know if my response to this is the "answer" that you are "looking" for, but i'd like to attempt to share something from my heart and not my head. I'd like to preface with: there is a realization that "i" am always looking into a mirror. I responded to your earlier post, because it reflected something back to "me". Something in my "imagined" personal life led me to a place where i got to experience "in the flesh" (not something read in books) that i was a prisoner of my own mind. i was going insane; barely hanging on with my bloody fingernails! Then sometime after, following the breakdown came the dawning of Advaita and a quieting ensued. Still my mind was inquisitive, "trying" to figure things out. Then it "seemed" as though there was a"Magnet" drawing me into Silence. i 'appeared' to go through various stages with this. My mind even viewed this as a further "prying off" of this world and i was frightened. At first, i enjoyed hearing all of the information; satisfied with that - for a time. But at the same time, Awareness was shining on: "i" was avoiding; resisting letting go by keeping occupied ;entertained :distracted by being satisfied with the talking about it, but not really. Silence kept pulling and "i" kept resisting. Even being involved in these , Awareness was shining that "i" was often engaging in activity, rather than "tuning in", so to speak, to the Silence. My mind - still occupied;settling for words and concepts. But "something", Silence/Awareness kept and keeps drawing me in. Just heard Robert in satsang today - "one definition of the Self is a quiet mind" Victor, through your postings, you 'appear' to be pretty experienced in the world of information on what is regarded as Dzogchen/ "one of higher teachings" of Buddhism. Any answer given to your question will only be more information/baggage, more thoughts for the mind to wrap around. Awareness has shone that my mind is not a friend. Don't know if any of this means anything to you but it's what i was prompted to write. Also, here is something taken from an earlier post here; an intro to the Ribhu Gita - "All practices should start with the inherent intuition that one is already the Self. As the Self cannot be thought about or understood intellectually, the Self itself must awaken which happens through practices that still the mind. and reading and listening to the Truth, until the True "I", That which enlightens the body/mind recognizes itself being referred to and a spontaneous intuition of the Heart (Hrdayam) occurs, manifesting as a Singularity that itself dissolves the mind and outshines the body. An example of a text that Ramana Maharshi said would cause such a spontaneous awakening is the Ribhu Gita, Chapter 26." "The ego or separate soul is a concept. God, the world, the mind , desires, action, sorrow and all other things are all concepts". Ramana Maharshi Much love to you, Victor. ~jessica ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Jessica, Thanks for your kindness in replying. I think that what I've heard over and over again, here and there, is that you cannot do it with the thinking mind and that one must dwell in the silence. This I interpret as be out of your conceptual mind and simply dwell in pure awareness. Does it mean that thoughts will not arise or that they may arise but are simply allowed to arise within the awareness and allowed to simply go away? The sound files of Robert Adams satsanghs were very helpful in describing the mechanics to apply Ramana Maharshi's method of "Who am I". Guess I just have to fall back and regroup and be by myself for a while. There's just too too much stuff on the to keep up with and remain mindful. My mind just keeps getting pulled all over the place. Guess I'm just not stable enough to handle it. May your life be full of love, laughter and peace, Victor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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