Gurdijeff and kundalini

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Marcia Paul [jacpa]

Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:49 PM

Re: Gurdijeff and kundalini

 

Hi Michael,

 

I see this the same as you. It just took me a year and

a half to see it. I posted that a year and a half ago and

Harsha posted his response that long ago. It just clicked

the other day.

 

I really feel like I have been given a gift. Between Harsha,

Jan and Dan, they are making sense to me now. I really

appreciate you guys.

 

Marcia

 

Well its about time Marcia! :-).

Thanks for a great post on Kundalini Michael.

You have incredible depth in the subject matter.

Kundalini is a complex but an incredibly fascinating topic.

For many it is where theory and practice meet.

Greg wrote a great post on Kundalini in a nondual context sometime back.

You may want to look at that as well Michael and Marcia.

 

Love to all

Harsha

 

 

 

 

 

MHortling wrote: Now, I'm not quite sure if you quoted Ouspensky

correctly, but one thing is

> pretty certain, George Gurdijeff was definitely Kundalini-awakened and

knew

> what this meant.

>

> The "organ kundabuffer" as described by G.I .Gurdijeff is that which in

the

> Indian traditions is referred to as "Maya", the power of illusion about

our

> true state of being. Kundalini as such however is only "Maya" in its

latent

> and dormant state. When awakened and alive , it is the very antithesis of

> Maya and illusion, because it is the life energy in itself that creates

and

> displays life as it truly is, i.e awareness of ourselves as eternal

being,

> bliss and knowledge, the one Self, God, manifesting in a myriad variety of

> shapes and forms.

>

> Gurdijeff, who, along with people like Alan Watts and Osho, was one of the

> "rascal" gurus, wasn't very keen on spelling out reality clearly for all

to

> see, but preferred to hide truth behind a smokescreen of difficult to

> understand metaphors and allegories.

>

> Gurdijeff's whole teaching was based on the concept of de-conditioning and

> making the human being "wake up", which in essence is nothing else than

> becoming aware of ourselves as units of energy and consciousness, which of

> course again is kundalini-yoga ! The object of the merciless criticism

> Gurdijeff dealt out wasn't in any way yoga or kundalini but rather the

common

> state of "sleep" and "unawareness" that we usually spend our lives in.

>

> As for Patanjali, it is true that he never mentions kundalini. His

approach

> to reaching the deeper state of Being, of unity and samadhi concerns the

> control and the discipline of the mind. But the mind is nothing else than

> kundalini in action ! Raja-yoga is the same as kundalini-yoga, hatha-yoga

is

> kundalini-yoga - it's all about consciousness striving to control energy

> which manifests as mind and body...

>

> Kundalini can't be "removed", even if Yoga Vajnavalkya says so, since

> kundalini is the basic energy that creates all our consciousness. Whatever

we

> think or feel, whatever we believe we are, whatever we perceive our ego to

> be, it's all the result of kundalini in action. When kundalini becomes

> dynamic and "awake" in our system these perceptions change and the focus

> becomes spiritual.

>

> There is only one energy, just as there is only one reality, one life.

This

> energy is the kundalini which is the Great Mother of everything that has

> shape and form in the time/space worlds - prana from above is kundalini,

> prana from below is kundalini, when the focus of attention and awareness

is

> turned towards God /Greater Self, kundalini moves upwards from the denser

> centers of consciousness towards the higher chakras.

>

> Hmmmh, sounds like I'm preaching, but I really and sincerely believe this

to

> be true....

>

> Michael

>

> //

>

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perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

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All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights,

perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside

back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than

the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness.

Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is

where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal

Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously

arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a.

 

To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at

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