Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Ramana Maharshi speaks to Paul Brunton. Q: If 'I' am always here and now, why don't I feel it? M: That's is the point! Who says that it is not felt? Does the real 'I' say it or the false 'I'? Examine it. You will find it is the wrong 'I'. The wrong 'I' is the obstruction. It has to be removed in order that the true 'I' might not be hidden. The feeling, 'I have not realized,' is the obstruction to realization. In fact, you are already realized; there is nothing to realize. If there were, it would have to be something new, not existing so far, that would occur sometime in the future. What has birth will also die. If realization were not eternal it would not be worth having. Therefore, what we seek is not that which must happen afresh. It is only that which is eternal and which is not known, due to obstructions, that is what we seek. Ignorance is the obstruction. Remove it, and all will be well. The ignorance is identical with the 'I'-thought. Find its source and it will vanish. The 'I'-thought is like a spirit which is not palpable, and it rises up simultaneously with the body, flourishes on it and disappears with it. The body-consciousness is the wrong 'I'. Give it up! This is done by seeking the source of the 'I'. The body does not say 'I am'. It is you who says, 'I am the body.' Find out who this 'I' is. Seeking its source, it will vanish. Q: What is to be our sadhana? M: The sahaja of siddha! Sahaja is the original state so that sadhana amounts to the removal of obstacles for the realization of this abiding truth. By repeated practice one can become accustomed to turning inwards and finding the Self. One must always and constantly make an effort, until one has permanently realized. Once the effort ceases, the state becomes natural and the Supreme takes possession of the person with an unbroken current. Until it has become permanently natural and your habitual state, know that you have not realized the Self, only glimpsed it. The soul that realizes the Self may still be connected with a working body, senses, and mind, without identifying itself with that body. There can be satisfaction only when you reach the source, otherwise there will be restlessness. // All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2000 Report Share Posted September 28, 2000 Hello Harsha, May I have your permission to forward this to another egroup, in contrast to the message posted there today? - "Harsha" <harsha-hkl ; <NondualitySalon > Thursday, September 28, 2000 6:19 AM Essential Instructions > Ramana Maharshi speaks to Paul Brunton. > > Q: If 'I' am always here and now, why don't I feel it? > > M: That's is the point! Who says that it is not felt? Does the real 'I' > say it or the false 'I'? Examine it. You will find it is the wrong 'I'. The > wrong 'I' is the obstruction. It has to be removed in order that the true > 'I' might not be hidden. > > The feeling, 'I have not realized,' is the obstruction to realization. In > fact, you are already realized; there is nothing to realize. If there were, > it would have to be something new, not existing so far, that would occur > sometime in the future. > > What has birth will also die. If realization were not eternal it would not > be worth having. Therefore, what we seek is not that which must happen > afresh. It is only that which is eternal and which is not known, due to > obstructions, that is what we seek. Ignorance is the obstruction. Remove it, > and all will be well. > > The ignorance is identical with the 'I'-thought. Find its source and it > will vanish. The 'I'-thought is like a spirit which is not palpable, and it > rises up simultaneously with the body, flourishes on it and disappears with > it. The body-consciousness is the wrong 'I'. Give it up! This is done by > seeking the source of the 'I'. The body does not say 'I am'. It is you who > says, 'I am the body.' Find out who this 'I' is. Seeking its source, it will > vanish. > > Q: What is to be our sadhana? > > M: The sahaja of siddha! Sahaja is the original state so that sadhana > amounts to the removal of obstacles for the realization of this abiding > truth. > > By repeated practice one can become accustomed to turning inwards and > finding the Self. One must always and constantly make an effort, until one > has permanently realized. Once the effort ceases, the state becomes natural > and the Supreme takes possession of the person with an unbroken current. > Until it has become permanently natural and your habitual state, know that > you have not realized the Self, only glimpsed it. > > The soul that realizes the Self may still be connected with a working > body, senses, and mind, without identifying itself with that body. > > There can be satisfaction only when you reach the source, otherwise there > will be restlessness. > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, > perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside > back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than > the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. > Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is > where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal > Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously > arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > > > > // > > All paths go somewhere. No path goes nowhere. Paths, places, sights, perceptions, and indeed all experiences arise from and exist in and subside back into the Space of Awareness. Like waves rising are not different than the ocean, all things arising from Awareness are of the nature of Awareness. Awareness does not come and go but is always Present. It is Home. Home is where the Heart Is. Jnanis know the Heart to be the Finality of Eternal Being. A true devotee relishes in the Truth of Self-Knowledge, spontaneously arising from within into It Self. Welcome all to a. > > To from this list, go to the ONElist web site, at > www., and select the User Center link from the menu bar > on the left. This menu will also let you change your subscription > between digest and normal mode. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 ***** - Harsha ; NondualitySalon Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:19 AM Essential Instructions Ramana Maharshi speaks to Paul Brunton. Q: If 'I' am always here and now, why don't I feel it? M: That's is the point! Who says that it is not felt? Does the real 'I' say it or the false 'I'? Examine it. You will find it is the wrong 'I'. The wrong 'I' is the obstruction. It has to be removed in order that the true 'I' might not be hidden. The feeling, 'I have not realized,' is the obstruction to realization. In fact, you are already realized; there is nothing to realize. If there were, it would have to be something new, not existing so far, that would occur sometime in the future. What has birth will also die. If realization were not eternal it would not be worth having. Therefore, what we seek is not that which must happen afresh. It is only that which is eternal and which is not known, due to obstructions, that is what we seek. Ignorance is the obstruction. Remove it, and all will be well. The ignorance is identical with the 'I'-thought. Find its source and it will vanish. The 'I'-thought is like a spirit which is not palpable, and it rises up simultaneously with the body, flourishes on it and disappears with it. The body-consciousness is the wrong 'I'. Give it up! This is done by seeking the source of the 'I'. The body does not say 'I am'. It is you who says, 'I am the body.' Find out who this 'I' is. Seeking its source, it will vanish. Q: What is to be our sadhana? M: The sahaja of siddha! Sahaja is the original state so that sadhana amounts to the removal of obstacles for the realization of this abiding truth. By repeated practice one can become accustomed to turning inwards and finding the Self. One must always and constantly make an effort, until one has permanently realized. Once the effort ceases, the state becomes natural and the Supreme takes possession of the person with an unbroken current. Until it has become permanently natural and your habitual state, know that you have not realized the Self, only glimpsed it. The soul that realizes the Self may still be connected with a working body, senses, and mind, without identifying itself with that body. There can be satisfaction only when you reach the source, otherwise there will be restlessness. ************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2001 Report Share Posted October 7, 2001 ***** - Harsha ; NondualitySalon Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:19 AM Essential Instructions Ramana Maharshi speaks to Paul Brunton. Q: If 'I' am always here and now, why don't I feel it? M: That's is the point! Who says that it is not felt? Does the real 'I'say it or the false 'I'? Examine it. You will find it is the wrong 'I'. Thewrong 'I' is the obstruction. It has to be removed in order that the true'I' might not be hidden. The feeling, 'I have not realized,' is the obstruction to realization. Infact, you are already realized; there is nothing to realize. If there were,it would have to be something new, not existing so far, that would occursometime in the future. What has birth will also die. If realization were not eternal it would notbe worth having. Therefore, what we seek is not that which must happenafresh. It is only that which is eternal and which is not known, due toobstructions, that is what we seek. Ignorance is the obstruction. Remove it,and all will be well. The ignorance is identical with the 'I'-thought. Find its source and itwill vanish. The 'I'-thought is like a spirit which is not palpable, and itrises up simultaneously with the body, flourishes on it and disappears withit. The body-consciousness is the wrong 'I'. Give it up! This is done byseeking the source of the 'I'. The body does not say 'I am'. It is you whosays, 'I am the body.' Find out who this 'I' is. Seeking its source, it willvanish. Q: What is to be our sadhana? M: The sahaja of siddha! Sahaja is the original state so that sadhanaamounts to the removal of obstacles for the realization of this abidingtruth. By repeated practice one can become accustomed to turning inwards andfinding the Self. One must always and constantly make an effort, until onehas permanently realized. Once the effort ceases, the state becomes naturaland the Supreme takes possession of the person with an unbroken current.Until it has become permanently natural and your habitual state, know thatyou have not realized the Self, only glimpsed it. The soul that realizes the Self may still be connected with a workingbody, senses, and mind, without identifying itself with that body. There can be satisfaction only when you reach the source, otherwise therewill be restlessness. ************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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